All Greed on Alliance loot

[Snat]

Just like many people on here ... I don't get the idea behind this. If it is to get more people healing or tanking because they can roll on whatever loot anyway ... might as well go DPS in those raids and avoid the hassle as I can still get the healer loot anyway :/

[LZero]

Putting my vote against this change, too. Will most certainly skip this cycle of 24-man if this rule is implemented.

[TheDraco4011]

Oh joy I cant wait until we have to wait for more people after every boss because people couldnt need on the piece they wanted and left.

[Fyce]

I can say as a healer main if I have to carry as hard in Ridoranna as I did in Rabanastre I am not going to be very forthcoming with heals and raises for a mostly dead person who outrolls me on healer/caster gear but doesn't have one leveled.

I don't play this game to hand other peoole rewards. I get that in group content, especially as a support role, that is a thing that I will wind up doing but if someone plans on rolling for healer stuff and hasn't even gotten them to 70... I hope your Second Wind crits a lot. I will be over here healing people not abusing a broken system.

Why do you think that random players will burn their weekly lockout on something they don't want or can't even use? That makes no sense. They will roll on what they want, just like you.

[Tridus]

I don't understand what problem this is meant to solve. Like, doing this on the card/orchestron drops? Sure. People wind up needing those anyway because it doesn't make sense to do anything else, so making those have a single option will just help newbies who don't realize they shouldn't greed it. That change would make sense.

But on gear? Why? Just... WHY? Without any rationale into what they're thinking in doing this, it's utterly baffling and seems like someone making arbitrary changes just to screw with us.

[Penthea]

I can say as a healer main if I have to carry as hard in Ridoranna as I did in Rabanastre I am not going to be very forthcoming with heals and raises for a mostly dead person who outrolls me on healer/caster gear but doesn't have one leveled.

Yea as a healer I have to say I feel similar. I often have to carry people in 24 mans but at least if healer loot drops there's a really good chance I'll get it. With all rolls being greed, I might end up only doing the 24 man for the weekly coins and just forget about the gear unless I can get a full fc group.

[Fyce]

I don't understand what problem this is meant to solve. Like, doing this on the card/orchestron drops? Sure. People wind up needing those anyway because it doesn't make sense to do anything else, so making those have a single option will just help newbies who don't realize they shouldn't greed it. That change would make sense.

But on gear? Why? Just... WHY? Without any rationale into what they're thinking in doing this, it's utterly baffling and seems like someone making arbitrary changes just to screw with us.

Current situation:
- Tanks have to roll against 0 other player.
- Healers have to roll against 1 other player.
- DPS roll against 0 to 4 other players depending on what other jobs are in the party. DRG and NIN need to be matched with the exact same job for that to happen, while caster DPS share gear with 2 other jobs which increase the chances of them getting matched with a player who can compete with them.

New situation:
- The number of people you roll against only depend on what people want to roll on, regardless of jobs/roles.
And contrary to what some people are saying, rolling against the full 7 other players for a specific piece of gear will be very rare.

That's the only thing I see that get solved with this new system.

I'm not saying if this is good or bad. I'm just giving an objective reason as to what that new system does compared to the current one.
(If I don't bold this, people tend to think that I'm in favor of that change.)

[Jijifli]

I assume this is so players can catch up their alt jobs

I have a wonderful idea that they could have applied earlier to boost their chance of getting gear for a job. Play the job.

Seriously, the item level requirements are bare bones tiny. I had a RDM once in Rabanastre that was still in basically their full artifact 290 set, with some 300 accessories, and it let them in. They had the item level. They didn't have the HP to survive any mechanics, but they had the item level.

So is they can get in with such a low amount, why can't others? Why do I gotta roll with someone who might not even have that role leveled up, just because he didn't like what I did and wants to screw me out of the chest I ran 15 times to see?

Why do you think that random players will burn their weekly lockout on something they don't want or can't even use? That makes no sense. They will roll on what they want, just like you.

I got nasty slurs thrown at me in Rabanastre on my BRD for taking a bard piece, from a WHM who really wanted it for their level 34 bard. They didn't have MCH either, not even unlocked.

So don't tell me they don't exist. That rest of the run was terrible since only the SCH would actually heal me, the WHM ignored me outside of aoe spells.

[MoroMurasaki]

Why do you think that random players will burn their weekly lockout on something they don't want or can't even use? That makes no sense. They will roll on what they want, just like you.

I understand your point but you're forgetting one important thing - people are stupid and don't understand things.

[Alleo]

It's still not balanced. Tanks have longest queues for alliance raids because there is only 3 spots for them. Now they get to still wait long and have to roll against 7 others.

Exactly. Not everyone will suddenly stop tanking and since its only three tanks for the whole alliance you would still have enough wait time..yet now they might not get the tank gear if it drops.

Why do you think that random players will burn their weekly lockout on something they don't want or can't even use? That makes no sense. They will roll on what they want, just like you.

Glamour? Use for later when they may (or may not ) need it. I mean if you dont want to run this often per week some might just roll on something to get it. Even if its just something for a job that is not really used that much.

And it will get worse for those that want it for glamour later and the weekly lock out is removed..