Final Fantasy 14 App

[RubyCirha]

It just lets you buy/sell the same way you can in-game, just a limited amount of times and while away from the computer/game

Thank you for actually explaining and not just saying im wrong

[KisaiTenshi]

Y
A true non P2W game with a sub should only have the monthly sub cost, the cost of the expansions and base game and the only extra paid services should be things like character name change and server transfer which can't be in-game rewards.

Dyes has been a thing in asian games since the 90's. It was the first item to become microtransactions.

Realistically, I'm willing to pay for the following:

A monthly sub at 5-15$/mo depending on type (I would not pay any money for a open world PvP game, nor one with permadeath)
I will pay an additional one-time amount to unlock all inventory slots as I need them.
I will pay an additional one-time amount to add a character, or change the look of an existing one.
I will pay a one-time amount to buy an expansion pack at retail price.

I will not pay more for a subscription to get any kind of P2W benefit.
I will not pay more to rent inventory space, items, mounts or glamour slots.
I will not pay one-time to rescue a character from permadeath, I will quit the game and not come back.
I will not pay one-time for cosmetic items (dyes, emotes, limited-time outfits) if they are consumable/destroyable. If I buy these, I want them to be available perpetually if I lose the item or create a new character.

Most MMO games figured out that renting inventory space is a cash cow, but they have yet to discover how many people quit the game because the inventory is too small. Yes some people are packrats/hoarders, and the developers need to recognize that if you don't provide a solution (eg the glamour dresser was kinda half-baked) to address the reason for the hoarding, people start going neurotic over having to throw things away because of sunk costs.

FFXIV however is not really that generous when it comes to space. It is for what you get for free, but other games realized that locking down the market beyond the subscription service was actually the better solution, as it destroys RMT's ability to operate in the open. So you charge people one-time for the additional inventory slots/pets/retainers/bank-space/housing-shop/etc, but put the ability to put anything on the store/market behind the basic monthly service charge.

Recurring charges are the quickest way to kill any MMO game, primarily because when people realize how much money they sink into something like FFXIV or Netflix, or Amazon Prime, Spotify or whatever other TV/Music/Game service they pay for, most people are only going to pay for one of these, and if Netflix is cheaper than the MMO, then the MMO is the first to go when money gets tight.

[Aerlana]

To be honest...
more than 700 euros in cash shop. (and dont count dyes, or wedding, nor retainer and the accoutn services (fantasia, serveur move etc )
up to 7 retainer for storage, not 1 time buy (as most, or maybe all F2P) but a subscription!
Now this.

And all ok with some "other are doing worse" and the most "it is optionnal, if you dont want, dont pay" (and the storage matter for many people ? "optionnal" )

What about adding 2, or 3 euros to the sub? but getting ALL for free. i mean [b]ALL|/B]
Probably, because it is easier to drain some people, like milking cow that moooh appilly while they are sucked, than to be honest...

[Alleo]

It just lets you buy/sell the same way you can in-game, just a limited amount of times and while away from the computer/game client.



Is it really sub based if you get 90% of what the app offers for free?

90%?

You can organize your inventory and armory for free, chat, and get 1 kupo nut per day which you can use to purchase one thing from the MB.

Premium: Chat, inventory and armory organisation, organisation of your retainer and saddlebags, double the saddlebag, get one more retainer slot, 2 kupo nuts per day and more nuts that you can keep. And since you can only manage your retainers with premium this kinda hints that you can only use the retainer to retainer sending with premium too. Thats way more behind Premium than free.

Edit: They could have simply given us more inventory for the free version (not everyone will use the app) as an extra kind of inventory and let us buy maybe 2-3 things from MB and then have the premium version just having more amount that you can buy. (And the retainer slot) But putting both increases behind paywall is just sad.

If you use the App for free its just kinda another discord with an time planner and a once a day buy from the MB. I am just annoyed that they probably used our sub to create something that has most of it good stuff behind money.

you forget that they talked about a moguri coin which is probably a premium currency too

Oh I know, I wanted to have them out of it since we cant say it for sure but it would probably be naive to believe that they would not cost real money too..and since they said that more stuff might come for the coins..yeah not a good way.

[Remedi]

you forget that they talked about a moguri coin which is probably a premium currency too

[Vstarstruck]

People calling the coins and nuts "pay to win" don't seem to understand the definition of the term.

Being able to remotely buy items does not give you a major advantage over non-paying players.

Pay to win would be something like offering Savage gear for real money.

lol no, it is pay to win when it is coming to markets
also if they are locking basic features behind more fees like retainer to retainer organization? this is entering EA shadyness of DLC

[Berethos]

90%?

You can organize your inventory and armory for free, chat, and get 1 kupo nut per day which you can use to purchase something from the MB.
Premium: Chat, inventory and armory organisation, organisation of your retainer and saddlebags, double the saddlebag, get one more retainer slot, 2 kupo nuts per day and more nuts that you can keep. And since you can only manage your retainers with premium this kinda hints that you can only use the retainer to retainer sending with premium too. Thats way more behind Premium than free.

Free:
Chat
Inventory
Armoury
1 Kupo Nut
Sync friends list
Plan events
Issue Invites
Configure Notifications

Premium:
All above
Chocobo Saddlebag management
Chocobo Saddlebag extra slots
Retainer management
1 Extra Kupo Nut
Allows 1 additional Retainer

I've taken the liberty of bolding the premium parts that might have a more significant impact on your gameplay experience. Maybe. If you're a hoarder and can't manage an inventory properly.

[Steviejd]

Ok wow thanks for saying im wrong without even explaining why im wrong or how im wrong thanks for your rather rude correction

You asked to be corrected if wrong so that's what I did, I was in the middle of typing why you were wrong but A. The information is everywhere at this point and B. someone gave a full answer 3 mins after I posted. I apologize if you found that rude.

[Berethos]

lol no, it is pay to win when it is coming to markets
also if they are locking basic features behind more fees like retainer to retainer organization? this is entering EA shadyness of DLC

Oh noes! That 1 extra MB transaction a day is going to kill FFXIV!

Gimme a break.

[Liam_Harper]

To put it bluntly, this is absolutely disgraceful. This is starting to feel like a Free to Play cash grab game with a sub stuck on top. WoW is starting to look more and more attractive again. At least over there your sub gives you almost everything...

-50 characters, 11 alts per realm, free.
-You can make unlimited market board listings
-Free market board app, numerous websites for market board data
-Tons of bag space, a huge crafting material bag, ability to mail storage alts, free.
-Much smaller cash shop
-Ability to buy anything from the cash shop, even your sub, with ingame currency.

What's FF14's excuse? Enix isn't a small indie company nor is the game a cutting edge product, their servers and game engine quality are inferior to Blizzards which is a decade and a half old. I don't get it, why do we have to pay a vastly increased sub and not even get the same features other games hand out free? Very disappointed.