Final Fantasy 14 App

[ValentineSnow]

So.... A sub fee to ffxiv with 8 extra retainers and the premium companion app is $33 a month. Do people realise they could start a second account for that kind of money, getting 8 new characters that they can befriend and use them and their retainers as storage mules, get the recruit a friend campaign rewards off them and it will actually cost you $9 less than this crap?

[Friske]

Aaaand the line's been pushed once again. It's all part of the long road of microtransactions, of extra retainers, of glamours/ emotes etc sold on the mog station, of ingame emotes attached to 100+ dollar figurines, of ingame outfits linked to fanfest streams. It's absolutely sickening and shows the lack of respect that SE has for their playerbase and for themselves. What happened to paying only a subscription fee to allow us equal access to all ingame content? Do they realise that having extra inventory space and retainers allows people, and crafters especially, to hoard and sell more items? Thus impacting the game economy itself?

[Berethos]

So.... A sub fee to ffxiv with 8 extra retainers and the premium companion app is $33 a month. Do people realise they could start a second account for that kind of money, getting 8 new characters that they can befriend and use them and their retainers as storage mules, get the recruit a friend campaign rewards off them and it will actually cost you $9 less than this crap?

I'd be surprised if most pay for any extra retainers, much less 8 of them.

So while that's a valid point for those that do essentially min/max their account and the money spent on it, I don't think it applies to as many players as you might be assuming...which means less people care about it than you might be assuming.

[Berethos]

Companies always start small before going too far with it. Happens every single time. Also, they want to charge players a premium fee and on top of it microtransactions, insane.

Microtransactions have been in this game, in the current form, for something like 4 years now. This isn't new, and outside of this new app hasn't significantly changed in its approach. If we're on a slippery slope, it's a slow moving one.

[RubyCirha]

Not realy pay to win cas my understanding was the moogle buys items at random so it would be rng if anything but idk correct me if im wrong

[Steviejd]

Not realy pay to win cas my understanding was the moogle buys items at random so it would be rng if anything but idk correct me if im wrong

You're wrong.

[Riardon]

Aaaand the line's been pushed once again. It's all part of the long road of microtransactions, of extra retainers, of glamours/ emotes etc sold on the mog station, of ingame emotes attached to 100+ dollar figurines, of ingame outfits linked to fanfest streams. It's absolutely sickening and shows the lack of respect that SE has for their playerbase and for themselves. What happened to paying only a subscription fee to allow us equal access to all ingame content? Do they realise that having extra inventory space and retainers allows people, and crafters especially, to hoard and sell more items? Thus impacting the game economy itself?

You mean the same players who use botting on gathering nodes for years now and SE never ban. The game became a P2W with a monthly sub.
A true non P2W game with a sub should only have the monthly sub cost, the cost of the expansions and base game and the only extra paid services should be things like character name change and server transfer which can't be in-game rewards.
What we have now? Dyes, skins, emotes, housing items, mounts and now a freaking app with a monthly sub (which is overpriced) which gives actual advantage in game.
I will not even discuss how SE little by little gauged the prices in Mog Station for things like mounts and emotes and how they started limiting those items from account wide to per character only.
They keep pushing the red lines. It will not be too long before people realise how they overdone it and how crossed the lines.
They keep adding items that should be in-game rewards from quests/achievements to the store and that with a high price as well.
And now a freaking sub based mobile app with special currencies and the obligation to log in every day just like any F2P game on mobile.

[Berethos]

Not realy pay to win cas my understanding was the moogle buys items at random so it would be rng if anything but idk correct me if im wrong

It just lets you buy/sell the same way you can in-game, just a limited amount of times and while away from the computer/game client.

And now a freaking sub based mobile app with special currencies and the obligation to log in every day just like any F2P game on mobile.

Is it really sub based if you get 90% of what the app offers for free?

I mean, I'm not a fan of the pay side of it, but I also don't see what you get for paying as being all that extensive in terms of what is offered.

And by all means, if you feel you absolutely must login every day to list or buy from the MB that one extra time per day when you're not near your computer/game client, then have at it. That's totally going to have a massive impact on your gameplay experience.

[RubyCirha]

You're wrong.

Ok wow thanks for saying im wrong without even explaining why im wrong or how im wrong thanks for your rather rude correction

[Aerlana]

Do you consider 70 extra slots (out of nearly 1k provided for free, and ones you can't craft from), being able to move things from retainers while away from the game, and being able to buy/sell a couple more times on the MB when away (you can also do this with the free version, just fewer times) to be that much of the game?

I'm personally not a fan of the premium cost/moogle coins part, but the extras you're talking about here seem exceptionally minor compared to what you get with the sub fee.

Free, with the mirage shit, and i count the bag for shields => 1180 slots
7 retainer (so, now, before the freemium shitapp) = 1225 slots

MMORPG with sub system where more than half of storage slots are behind a paywall (and where other MMORPG make you pay once to get it definitely, FF does a sub system for it... so worse)