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  1. #15461
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    SaitoHikari's Avatar
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    Saito Hikari
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvina View Post
    I normally don't speed run certain low level dungeons as tanks becuase in some of them the enemies hit really really hard for their level, like Brayflox.
    Well, in the case of Brayflox, it's more 'most DPS don't even have a proper AoE rotation yet' and 'healers don't have access to any off-GCD heals/regens yet unless you're playing Astrologian'.

    I always laugh at any tank that tries to mass pull in early level dungeons without the presence of a ranged DPS.
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    "Consider this old adage: When a Bard sings alone in a desert, and no one is around to hear him... Is he truly singing?"

  2. #15462
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    Got Cutter's Cry on the roulette this morning as a Dark Knight. We had a Bard that demanded we do a speed run and kept pulling enemies even though I was the tank. Ended up dying first in the corridor leading to the first boss because he pulled the second group before I was ready for them.

    Got past the first boss but in the next area I go to pull the first mob and Bard tells the rest of the party to ignore the mobs and run for the portal, after I have started the pull, and they end up pulling a few more enemies in the process. I try to catch up with them but when I go to click portal the pop-up keeps getting canceled because of the mob auto-attacks and since it is eight against one I end up dying since the healer is in another part of the dungeon. End up back at the starting point with all the mobs between me and the rest of the party still alive.

    How do you deal with something like that?
    Basically, you rely on a little lucky and sometimes sprint to pull off that trick. It helps if you can easily spam the confirm button, though I just generally kill the mobs. Not really worth the hassle when stuff dies really fast usually.
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  3. #15463
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    Karl0217's Avatar
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    Koh'a Ganajai
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    Diabolos
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yenyen View Post
    Just tell them you want to do it properly, if they don't agree then vote kick, if that doesn't work then leave I noticed a comment and...
    I'd like to encourage you not to be this person, "I refuse to do my job because of xxx person"
    Oh, I have never actually left a duty or refused to do what is expected of me because of issues with another member of the team I am on. Thought about it once or twice, even threatened to do it once, but I would feel bad about doing something like leaving two dps sprouts on their first run through Stone Vigil just because the healer and I were not getting along.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Basically, you rely on a little lucky and sometimes sprint to pull off that trick. It helps if you can easily spam the confirm button, though I just generally kill the mobs. Not really worth the hassle when stuff dies really fast usually.
    Agreed, I am the kind of person who would rather spend an extra ten, twenty seconds killing the dungeon trash then risk a potential one or two minute delay because some party members luck didn't hold on this trick. Besides, xp is xp.
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    Last edited by Karl0217; 04-08-2018 at 11:52 PM.

  4. #15464
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    Iscah's Avatar
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Bismarck
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    My guildhest went spectacularly awful today, and it was entirely my fault.

    My alt-character arcanist has just graduated to scholar. (Despite being a Lv70 summoner I've barely used scholar, and intend to learn it properly with him.) Went through two early-game dungeons where Eos handled 90% of the healing, so still not really used to thinking of my previously-DPS arcanist as a healer, and decided to try a guildhest to get something higher-level but not high stakes.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Got "More Than A Feeler" - probably my least favourite guildhest. DoTs on the morbol, try to pop some bubbles that are getting through (preventative healing, right?), realise the tank is dying because I lost focus.

    Panicked healing but I'm too slow to save them - I cast Raise but now everything's onto me instead so it's my turn to die.

    And so begins a revolving-door effect as we take turns to die, respawn and draw aggro.

    The morbol is out of the swamp and up on the bank where we start.

    I've lost my faerie and hit the wrong button trying to re-summon it, casting my raise macro-and-announcement on the boss instead.

    I am feeling terrible and I don't think I ever got it properly back under control, but it seems that guildhests (without the 'boss room lockout' in place) don't necessarily wipe and start over like dungeons do - although the boss's health seemed to reset as some point.

    We make it through anyway, somehow, and I can only grovel and apologise afterwards. Got sympathy pats from the tank, and somehow a (probably also sympathy) commendation - I certainly didn't earn it with my battle performance....


    (Oh, and Tiroro has different dialogue after a performance like that - something to the effect of "that was brilliant, I love watching dramatic battles!")
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    Last edited by Iscah; 04-09-2018 at 03:13 AM.

  5. #15465
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    Ameela's Avatar
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    Ameela Trussa
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    Phoenix
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Maybe not appropriate for this thread since this was PF, not DF, but I need to vent and I have nowhere else to do so.

    I joined a Byakko EX kill party for fun and to practice PLD a bit, I ended up having to MT despite the fact that we had a WAR roughly as well geared as I was.
    I noticed we also had a NIN in our party so I thought I could get away with not doing my aggro combo as long as I did Holy Spirit + Goaring Blade in Shield Oath, but much to my surprise I did not actually get a Shadewalker and as a result the boss slapped the DPS around for a bit before I got control of him again, but that didn't stop the condescending comments right afterwards about having to stay in tank stance, doing my aggro combo, stop pretending to be DPS, etc, etc...
    One of them even boasted about their iL even though it was the same as mine (and I'm using crafted accessories on my tanks).

    I keep the aggro on the boss roughly the whole time after that with some help from the WAR who was gracious enough to Shirk me once in a while, and we proceed to kill him in one pull in spite of the difficulties at the start, yet despite of this after we clear they're STILL chastising me for the loss of aggro, and I just want to add that I didn't see one Shadewalker or Smokescreen, not that I'm blaming the Ninja but you know, it would have helped to use everyone's enmity abilities.
    They even told me that I was lucky to have an off tank that Shirked me... I thought that was meant to be common practice? Like isn't that what the ability is there for? I don't get why using hate control abilities is considered a luxury when all it does is help raid DPS and make runs go by faster...

    Anyway sorry for the rant, again I just needed to vent about this, it might have been a small inconsequential thing but it triggered me more than it should have I guess lol
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  6. #15466
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    Anarnee's Avatar
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    Thyn'a Sindyrl
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    Siren
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 100
    Queue up for Bardam's Mettle, my first time with my PLD alt, working on getting her through the story.

    I queue in prog 30 mins, on the last boss and I do what I always do when I queue in progress. "Hello, having trouble?"

    There is a MNK and a BLM.

    The MNK types in say chat "Yeah, the healer was awful."

    I don't say anything else after that and we wait and get a healer. We get a 70 healer that says it's their first time.

    XD It didn't go smoothly at all, the dps was slow.

    The MNK would run across the room and away from the boss for every aoe, I'm just rolling my eyes.

    The heal gets hit by the confuse every single time, and I'm doing my best to keep up with heals on myself and the party.

    I die. The healer dies. but it's at like 1% and the DPS manage to do it.

    Either way. I have a feeling it wasn't just the healer that was the problem in the run before.

    D:> I don't know if it's cause it's the slow down between patches, but I've gotten a lot of awful groups in content over the last month. Like much more than usual.
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  7. #15467
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    Wilford111's Avatar
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    Faux Ears
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    I have a PF story, only this time I'm the one at fault here. I feel so bad...

    So anyway I organize a Byakko ex farming party, and we que in. Throughout the fight, the RDM keeps dying and I have to keep raising him over and over. Eventually we wipe. Now it was probably the fact that I was farming Byakko ex all day that was causing me to be a little irritable, but I said in chat, "(RDM)... I'm sorry to say this, but you have to go."

    Commence everyone leaving duty, and back in the overworld, salty comments ensue. Half the party leaves, and one person says something along the lines of, "the RDM kept dying because no one world stack with him. I assume he just gave up after a while lol."

    At this point I realize his deaths were MY fault because I forgot I was paired up with him. I thought I was stacking with the other group.

    If the RDM I'm talking about is reading this, I'm so, so sorry. Please forgive me
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  8. #15468
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    Moonfish's Avatar
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    Autumn Stardust
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Decided to run leveling roulette as AST to get that cracked cluster and ended up in Sirensong. Got a PLD, BRD and RDM. There were no hellos, I got the feeling they were all together from the way the RDM said brb and the tank said k. After we got off the ship I started funneling the cards to the RDM because I saw them casting scatter and the BRD didn’t even keep straight shot up. This ended up being a bamboozle anyway, they probably hit scatter on accident because it was single target the rest of the way.

    I’m throwing out gravity’s like nothing else and my MP is dropping. I’m giving myself ewers and using lucid on cool down but it’s not enough, my MP is on life support the entire run.We get to the last couple packs when I remember the DPS could be helping my MP situation, so I asked if they can throw me a mana shift or refresh? Radio silence. One last attempt - “if you don’t have them, you should. Your healers will appreciate you.” Nada.

    At that point I just shrugged - 3 can play that game. We are at the last boss now. The DPS only got residual heals from me casting aspected Helios and I ate all the cards myself. The BRD died while casting LB near the end of the fight, choosing to finish it instead of moving out of the AoE. I chose to stand on their corpse casting malefics.

    Petty? Sure, I’m fine with that. They were from the same server, I found out when I checked after leaving.
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  9. #15469
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    tinythinker's Avatar
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    Omi Senu
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    I decided to level Pug/Monk from 15 to 50 (plan to do the other melee DPS next) and I've heard that damage dealers usually don't get comms often. I wasn't swimming in them from 15 to 50, but I got several, including at least one double commendation; yet, it was all just running basic dungeons and I never did anything heroic (or so bad to earn a pity comm). Someone I mentioned this to told me they thought it was because I used things like Arm of the Destroyer and Rockbreaker, but I suspect it was just random or because they were not happy with the tank or healer. Is AoE from Monks really that uncommon?
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    Thanks for helping make the FFXIV community a fun and welcoming place. If you're not sure you have (and you very likely have), make it a point to be patient or helpful the next time you log in so that you can know you've made a difference.

    If you're on the Aether data center, congratulations! I might be your next exciting adventure healer in the Duty Finder. Please look forward to it.

  10. #15470
    Player NephthysVasudan's Avatar
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    Nephthys Yamada
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by tinythinker View Post
    <Monk shenanigans?>
    I thought I was the only one....I started leveling a monk myself...and I've been swimming in commendations.
    All I've been doing is spamming /bstance as I love the kick my char does and just making sure I don't get turned into a smear on the floor. AoE's and other crits when possible.

    Maybe we're a rare breed? not sure.

    Could be my glamour lol...not sure.
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