Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

[Miste]

They did it at least once before when they released a new version of the spring skirt that was not gender locked (also having looked it up on loadestone they even changed the model slightly)

Well I should have been more clear I meant an entire set.

The skirt is just one piece and I am unsure on if the community requested it a lot or if SE did it on their own.

Also like you said the skirt is slightly different so it isn't the same thing as giving males the exact same thing as females have like with this bunny set unlock.

[ElHeggunte]

I was looking at old threads and seems that back then you somewhat understood it, but now are choosing not to.

Either way, not surprised coming from a catgirl. It's always catgirls and Au Ra coming to these threads to argue against a topic that doesn't affect them, and a topic where they are already favored.

I'm sorry, what was the purpose of quoting an old post? I remember the thread, I just don't understand why you bothered quoting me slightly out of context like it was supposed to prove something.

Just a few rebuttals.

First, that was a thread predominantly about the ears specifically and not the entire outfit (which is even what I was talking about in the post you quoted. I was responding to the person just above me who said people should be asking for a male version of the ears). Second, nowhere in that thread does anyone request a masculine version of the bunny suit. Lastly, nothing I've said here has contradicted what I said back then. I still support male-exclusive glamours. I still support more locked items becoming unisex (including the bunny suit). I still think all gear should be unisex within reason. I still don't understand why people act like SE does (or doesn't do) things out of spite.

All I said here was I don't remember seeing anyone requesting a masculine version outside of different ears. I've always seen people say they want what the females have or only say "bunny suit" without specifics. The thread you felt the need to quote me from actually supports that.

Don't fall off of that highhorse because it's a long way down for a Lala.

Thank you though for providing posts from a thread where people did request a more Chippendale appearance, that's one of the threads I missed. Just, you know, lead with that next time instead of a poor attempt at an ad hominem gotcha.

[Eloah]

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I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here, I just want to point something out. Within the context of the game, as well as society as a whole, male and masculine do not go hand in hand. Think of it this way, male and female are indicators of sex, while masculine and feminine are indicators of gender.

People were asking for a male version because they wanted a version made for males, they didn't want a masculine version; they wanted it to remain feminine. There is plenty of gear in the game that is worn by females that would be considered masculine, most armor set would be included in this, regardless of the amound of skin showing. Also there is plenty of gear worn by males that would be considered feminine, like most mage sets. It's better to think of masculine beind synonymous with hard (no pun intended) and feminine being synonymous with soft (again no pun).

Hopefully that clears it up a little as to why a good amount of people are upset. It isn't because it isn't masculine, it's because it's not designed for a male. Mascilinity and Femininity are just traits, nothing more. A really good example I can think of right now is the Little Lady's Day gear, each is clearly designed for each sex, but both are feminine.

[Tracewood]

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What did people expect? How DO you make something intended for female to look masculine? They heard "Bunny suits for males plz" and that's really all they had to go on. Japan doesn't normally deal with USA's "specific" gender issues, so lots of stuff was lost in context

[Vstarstruck]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but a lot of folks who are upset are forgetting that there is a huge culture difference between the west and east. So while bunny suits for males that are not copy pasted are common sense in the west, it is not the same over in Japan. For one, it's possible the deviation wasn't translated properly to the devs and its likely that they hadn't understood why the western player base wanted make bunny suits. I think a lot of folks are ignoring the cultural difference in their anger.

and such issues would not happen if they take an active measure to communicate with us, not simply message sending back and forth, hence this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Community-team

Who's fault is it for not understanding cultural differences?
I am just tried of lazy copy paste solutions in general

[ArionXx]

Can we go back to crying about Butt sliders now.

Priorities, guys!

[Nestama]

and such issues would not happen if they take an active measure to communicate with us, not simply message sending back and forth, hence this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Community-team

Who's fault is it for not understanding cultural differences?
I am just tried of lazy copy paste solutions in general

I mean, it was said in an interview a year ago they were working on removing the gender restriction on the bunny outfit, which is what people were requesting (bunny outfit for males when? Bunny ears for males when? etc).

The fact SE decided to just do a copy-paste is better than what they could have gone with if they took requests 'literally.' Bunny outfit could have been just as it's called: a bunny costume (think reindeer or pig costume).

[Eloah]

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I think the meaning behind what I said was lost. I wasn't saying there couldn't have been any confusion. I was simply indicating that male and masculine aren't mutually exclusive. But your own words betray you. Saying they heard "bunny suit for males" indicates exactly that. It's in a lot of the threads about this topic that the playerbase wanted a male "version" to go with the female one.

Oh, and the whole USA specific thing has no weight. First, what I said isn't cultural, at all, it's a part of human society. If anything, the USA is limited since we are only familiar with the two terms, other cultures have more than just masculine and feminine.

Second, although this is a Japanese game made in Japan, why does everyone assume the developers know nothing of other cultures. Specifically, when three quarters of the teams work on the other versions of the game. Plus don't forget that Foxclon, the Japanese/global community rep is fluent in English. Not saying he's good at it, and lets be honest lots of native speakers aren't either, but he'd be able to get the info first hand form both sides; not sure about French or German for obvious reasons.

Now I'm not saying all of this to start anything, I am just pointing it out.

[Tridus]

I am disappointed to see that resources from SE go into things like this. How about instead of whining about glamours, they actually put that time into making better content. Think about how bad this looks from the outside. People see the ff community raging over glamours, male bunny suit glamours. Is that going to get people to play the game or take us seriously?

These are not the same people, as others have mentioned already. They can work on more than one thing at a time, and this is primarily an art issue (making sure the models work on male characters and adjusting as needed).

It's not like they had a network programming specialist working on this.

Fixed some of that for you.

If we're judging developers winning or losing based on player reaction and feedback, then developers are used to losing. They don't need you to defend their feelings or apologize on behalf of the playerbase.

SE could have communicated their plans and intents much, much better to avoid this situation from the start.

People said "we want the bunny suit for males". SE said a year ago they were going to unlock it. People didn't say "no wait, what we really want is something entirely different" until we got the bunny suit.

There is a communication issue here, but it's not on SE's end. People said "we want X!". SE said "we'll give you X". SE gave us X. We then came back with "but we really wanted Y!" This is a surprisingly common thing in software development and one of the reasons that developers should never be slaves to the wishes of their users: users are notoriously bad at telling you what they actually want because they often don't know themselves. Figuring out how to take feedback and use it to determine what should actually be done is a well paid profession for a reason.

Claiming that more communication was needed on this is asking for a paralysis inducing level of overhead on doing anything. This was a trivial request. If that requires a full Q&A session and extended community feedback gathering to understand, nothing will ever get done except consultation.

My first impression was this has to be a joke. This was what took them so long? This?!?

Strictly speaking, not wanting to do it at all is what took them so long. The actual effort involved likely wasn't very high. But it was also never a priority, so it sat around in a to-do pile until someone had nothing better to do.

[kamenkuro]

This was a bad idea and this thread is proof why. Hopefully they don't make this mistake again. Last thing this game needs is to become like Tera