Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

[Osmond]

I now believe that they really no intention to making female only, male gear sets. If this goes to the mog station I believe that SE won't see it hit the top 3 for a week, but I could be wrong.

[Alleo]

Wasn't a fan of this idea to begin with, but it's amazing how long it took them to do this. There's like, 0 difference between the male and female sets. Seriously.

I was rooting for the males to get their version and all the talk from Yoshida made it sound like it would be a different version that would look great on males. (Like he said that the females in their teams are working on this) It really looks just like the female version including the breast part of the clothing..(some of those males look like they have small breasts..) Years for a copy..welp..what can one say about this other than it feels lazy..I really get the feeling like they just started on this recently because people kept on asking them for it instead of forgetting it. x)

[Lauront]

Things like this irritates me about this community. I just don't get it...

You preach and demanded for bunny suits for two years and when you finally get it, you complain that it's not different enough? I mean, isn't this what you guys wanted?

If they made a Thav Dress and Wedding Dress for males are you going to complain it's not different enough as well?

Seriously, this is a victory in the right direction. This proves that the devs heard your call. But complaining like this is going to make the devs feel like you guys are ungrateful and why bother with other requests. Sorry, but coding doesn't work like (check box male availability and it'll magically snap on). They have to make outfits from scratch to fit the different sizes of the genders. The suit for female Au Ra won't just magically scale to male Au Ra.

Arguments about lazy designs and having to wait are irrelevant when this is EXACTLY what was requested. It probably took so long so that they could enable the option for players who already own the female version can fantasia to male and not have to repurchase a separate version of it, along with the fact that they had better things to do than to work on a glamour that a small minority of the community even want's to wear. Which is why it was on a low priority list to begin with.

You guys should be happy that you finally got something you fought two years for. To me, this just proves that those complaining just wanted to be snow flakes all along and didn't truly want equality.

It actually proves nothing of the sort. The game isn't a charity, it comes at a monthly cost, in addition to many other costs. Male toons are more or less 50% of those actively played. The complaint here is not that the item was added, but 1) the time it took, 2) the way in which it was implemented and 3) the general attitude this displays towards male toon outfit options. At least straighten up your understanding before trying to paint people as being ridiculous in what they're asking for. Some people did want the exact female outfit, and they got it, but they're not the same as those who are complaining about what has been introduced, just weeks after SE resolutely refused to make a copy/paste of the female glamour for the Spring outfit. They're distinct groups, and I would daresay that the group playing male chars as a whole is far larger than the cross-dressing subset, hence more complaints than not.

Additionally, your argument on coding is really a non-starter. What are they being paid for, do you think? What annoys people about this sort of argument is that they're happy to funnel the profits from FFXIV into other ventures, some of which can't stand on their own, and which are performing far worse.

Also, why don't we ask them for some statistics on all their female-only glamours and let's see how the cost-benefit for them stacks up.

Why are you assuming that everyone shares the same opinions? There are people who like this and there are those who don't. It makes no sense to come here with "I bet the people who wanted this would have complained if they got what they didn't want" ????



I was looking at old threads and seems that back then you somewhat understood it, but now are choosing not to.

It's a case of selective stupidity/amnesia.

[Lauront]

Probably because they never wanted these suits due to the female connotations of theirs, their look etc. And the women were the only ones in the team willing to work on it. Many men dislike the idea very strongly after all, so it would be no surprise that the team mostly was hostile to the idea...hence the long time to arrival.

The annoying thing is that it's to the detriment of people who want proper male variants of the outfits. I would be ok with them just removing gender-locks altogether and designing two variants, where the variation is required and the outfit isn't more or less unisex, as many are. It'd require more resources, but I'm only willing to let that argument fly if they're already pouring in all their revenues into FF (allowing for profit), and then still find themselves strained. If not... then I'm less concerned. Either way, I'd rather the priority was in designing more decent glamours for male toons. I'm less concerned about cross-dressing, in all honesty, as it is indeed a much tinier subset of the people who play male toons. Just saying they could please that crowd too, if they wanted to.

It also makes it seem more like a grudging gesture to shut people up, if it is as you say. If that is so, then the general response is a pretty appropriate reaction, IMO.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

In other words, you don't really have a stake in the fight or any knowledge of the long string of disappointments where male glamour options are concerned yet you can't help but rush at the chance to make a snide comment. It's very telling that the vast majority of the posters belittling the concerns raised about male glamour options don't even seem to play a male character themselves...at least not as their main character. Interestingly enough, many of those same individuals also post as Au Ra and Miqo'te women - which just so happen to be the two of the more popular and 'fan service' options available where glamour options are concerned.

For future reference, if you start a movement, this is exactly how you keep people from joining your side. Alienating all potential allies won't help you in any way. You'll make it an "us vs them," instead "we just want that glam."

[kikix12]

The annoying thing is that it's to the detriment of people who want proper male variants of the outfits.

Listen. I am absolutely in agreement that male characters should have high-quality, well-designed options that underline their particular traits in sexy, or cool, or 'macho' etc. styles. The entire reason why I stopped playing male characters in MMO's is because the armors ALWAYS looked like junk in every single game. Except for the limited few that were always bought with real life money...which I won't to for a look. I always played male characters for "heavy duty" classes like tanks and female for casters before that. So yes, I am in support of proper gear for males.

However...I just cannot imagine a proper gear for men that would fall into a "bunny suit". Chippendales 'costume'? Fair game. As I said in previous posts I have no issue with that. Only have an issue with it being called a bunny suit, which in anyway I look at it, it is not. There are just certain things that do not suit men in my opinion. Fishnets being one of them (then again, I hate fishnets on women as well, so it's a bad compounded upon bad altogether). A 'bunny' outfit being another. Ears?! Well, whatever. There are already cosplay costumes in the game, so bunny ears are a non-issue in that respect. But anything that would look 'decent' in my eyes would have nothing to do with bunnies. Just standard suits. Just like the images that alimdia quoted posted by Fredco191. That's a magician-styled suit...with bunny ears. It is 'male' because it never was a bunny suit to begin with.

Unfortunately, peoples brains work by comparison. What does a bunny suit have with actual bunnies?! Nothing really, except the ears and fluffy tails if present. But a specific setup was named that and it did stick. However, since it DID stick, now you DO have a comparison for any other bunny suit. A bunny suit, for whichever gender, will not be a bunny suit, unless it uses a similar style to what was called it in the first place.
Think of it like this. A tricycle could have very well been called a mountain bike...if not for the fact that a mountain bike already exists and is defined as something. Since it is...a tricicle cannot be a mountain bike since it doesn't meet the requirements of it. It's the same here. A bunny suit is specified. It have characteristics that are more or less clearly defined. And that's where we have a problem.

The threads that called out for a male-wearable bunny suit got what they wanted. A male-wearable bunny suit. Those that expected a bunny-suit inspired male and masculine suit...well, those didn't get what they want. But they are, in a way, at their own fault. It seems that there were some that made their interest more clear, but they still latched on to the "male bunny suit" crowd. Why?! Why didn't they make their own thread? Why didn't they make their own requests?! Developers just looked at a translated transcription of the threads. They didn't look at individual posts. They couldn't even if they'd want to. Because these people "latched on" to those that represented a different front altogether, they got shafted. Instead of learning from that and at least NOW making a proper request thread with the PROPER information from the get-go...despite them being at fault for falsifying statistics and putting false pressure on the developers, they put forth blame and anger at the developers where, for a change, they had no fault of at all. Now, this IS a problem because developers will, again, not know the details of this outrage. They cannot. They will, once again, get the wrong message. This time it will be "they are thankless, spoiled brats and should be ignored even more than before".

Hope this at least clarifies my stance.

[BillyKaplan]

TBH the more I think about it the more I'm amazed we actually got this instead of a "bunny" variation of the pig suit...

EDIT: and as I said that, I instantly knew what I was going to glamour for next Easter.

[Niqote]

Hardly anyone wears the female top either.
Just take the ears and run guys.

[Solarra]

My first impression was this has to be a joke. This was what took them so long? This?!?
No way am I going to get that costume for my alts. Fishnets on a guy? A cute little bustier? Complete with bra cups?
It'll probably make a few of the 'comedy male roes' happy but I was hoping for something that would actually look attractive and sexy. Well, just another SB disappointment.

In the interests of providing balanced criticism, the ears are ok.

[Remedi]

Why are you assuming that everyone shares the same opinions? There are people who like this and there are those who don't. It makes no sense to come here with "I bet the people who wanted this would have complained if they got what they didn't want" ????

I'm not assuming that the same ppl would be complaining, I'm stating that there'll be always complaining no matter what