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  1. #11
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    BillyKaplan's Avatar
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    Yeah RNGesus plays with my heart here. 104 prothean for 50 anemos. Lmao
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zova View Post
    Is the probability of getting any amount per crystal evenly distributed? If so that 102 is kinda crazy, the odds you would get that many 2s if the distribution is even must be incredibly low...
    RNG gonna RNG. Put enough people through it and someone will get the short end of the stick like that.
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    Exchanging the items one at a time still gives way more crystals overall due to the way the rng is working on trading in 10 or 50.
    The difference is huge
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  4. #14
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    Elissa Nasgren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    RNG gonna RNG. Put enough people through it and someone will get the short end of the stick like that.
    I mean, I know that with RNG you will see lots of outcomes that seem improbable given enough trials. The thing that seems crazy to me is if the probability of a 2,3,4, and 5 are all even, i.e. 1/4 for each one, then the odds of seeing a 102 total with 50 rolls is about 1 in 10 ^ 27, or one time out of every billion billion billion 50 roll trials. My math might be wrong of course, I never was that good at statistics and probabilites. Of course if the odds aren't even then none of this applies...
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    Last edited by Zova; 04-04-2018 at 09:32 AM.

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    Its probably just taking a random number from 100 to 250 for 50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zova View Post
    I mean, I know that with RNG you will see lots of outcomes that seem improbable given enough trials. The thing that seems crazy to me is if the probability of a 2,3,4, and 5 are all even, i.e. 1/4 for each one, then the odds of seeing a 102 total with 50 rolls is about 1 in 10 ^ 27, or one time out of every billion billion billion 50 roll trials. My math might be wrong of course, I never was that good at statistics and probabilites. Of course if the odds aren't even then none of this applies...
    The RNG definitely favors the house. It’s common when I’m gathering I’ll have 97% to hit and miss 3 times in a row.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    Exchanging the items one at a time still gives way more crystals overall due to the way the rng is working on trading in 10 or 50.
    The difference is huge
    I would never have enough data to show why I disagree with this, in the end, my time and fingers > caring over that. You get more then enough not to care, getting 110 to 230 per 50 is fine enough to get mutli relics just off getting level 20.
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  8. #18
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zova View Post
    I mean, I know that with RNG you will see lots of outcomes that seem improbable given enough trials. The thing that seems crazy to me is if the probability of a 2,3,4, and 5 are all even, i.e. 1/4 for each one, then the odds of seeing a 102 total with 50 rolls is about 1 in 10 ^ 27, or one time out of every billion billion billion 50 roll trials. My math might be wrong of course, I never was that good at statistics and probabilites. Of course if the odds aren't even then none of this applies...
    Close enough. Here's a nice tool to calculate the probability of every possible outcome: http://anydice.com/program/f62a It is pretty unlikely, but so are a lot of outcomes. It's very slanted towards the middle.

    This is also assuming they are doing 50 rolls. If they're doing a single roll and just multiplying by 50, the odds of a 102 are equal to that of any other outcome.
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    This is also assuming they are doing 50 rolls. If they're doing a single roll and just multiplying by 50, the odds of a 102 are equal to that of any other outcome.
    I'm with Ariane, they're probably taking the min possible value (2 * num of crystals) and max possible value (5 * num of crystals) and then random within that range. They're not wrong, per-se, and my napkin math over lunch did show it should still average to around 3.5 average but it stings a lot more to see a result that's basically 50 2 rolls in a row
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    Ifalna Sha'yoko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    Exchanging the items one at a time still gives way more crystals overall due to the way the rng is working on trading in 10 or 50.
    The difference is huge
    Who gives a damn, really.
    Crystals come so fast and I have so many just by leveling to 20 that I can plaster a highway from Eorzea to Garlemald.
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