JP Only

[Issac]

Just thought I'd fix this before I go to sleep.

私はアメリカ人です。でも、日本語がすこしえあかります。　Ｘ
私はアメリカ人です。でも、日本語がすこしわかります。　　Ｏ

The romaji was right, but the hiragana was not.

Was a typo, e is right next to w. @_@

[DNO]

I speak a bit of Japanese myself as I was station in Tokyo for a while. Can't read and write it though sadly. I dontmind learning the language if it helps me get into more parties. Though if jp only parties are deemed as ok then so should English only parties and English only servers as well as international servers. If a Japanese person needed a ride in my car to go to the same place I am going, I wouldn't tell him no because he doesn't speak English. For the ifrit battle I can see the language barrier being an issue but not when it comes to grinding parties.

Another person that can see past the ff11 blinders.

Thank you.

I am SHOCKED that people are telling me to learn JP to play a game LMAO!!!!!

[DNO]

You're wrong. I know very little Japanese, yet 99% of the time when I try to communicate on a basic level, they're usually flattered that I'm putting forth the effort. I have zero problems partying with Japanese players. When I'm playing in the early AMs, it's usually a Japanese party that I join to grind.

If you choose to change your mind and put forth a more positive attitude, here's a few polite phrases:
1. よろしくです～ (yoroshiku desu~)　Nice to meet you (Literally: Please treat me well)
2. ありがとう～/どもありがとうございます～　(arigatou~/domo arigatou gozaimasu~) Thank you / Thank you very much (respectful, polite)
3. ごめんなさい (gomen nasai) Sorry
4. じゃまた　(ja mata) See you later
5. またよろしくです～ (mata yoroshiku desu~)　It was nice meeting you again
6. 私はアメリカ人です、でも日本語がすこしわかります　(watashi wa amerikajin desu, demo nihongo ga sukoshi wakarimasu) I'm American, but I can understand a little Japanese.

You can NOT tell me what i played through in ff11 for 7 years. So please understand that.

There are many people in this thread posting their "JP only" moments so im not wrong. Just you had a different experience then me which is perfectly fine.

[Issac]

You can NOT tell me what i played through in ff11 for 7 years. So please understand that.

There are many people in this thread posting their "JP only" moments so im not wrong. Just you had a different experience then me which is perfectly fine.

Many of us have played XI for many years.

[Delsus]

Little update on this, I was in a JP ifrit party earlier, a ls member told me that they were in the pt search, so I used the party search and joined, and I wasnt kicked out until they disbanded after we went and you know what it was fun.

[DNO]

I could argue that point as I, and even one or two others in this thread have attest or can attest into be let into one of these "JP Only" parties, but I don't really want to get too deep into this, if only because its nearly 3:30 a.m. and I'm studying for exams.



You admit you know what you were getting into. Knowing of the international nature you have two options.

a.) Learn a few phrases to help bridge the gap if and where it can.

b.) Simply stick to playing with those who speak your own language.

There is no shame in either choice, and no one should harass you for choosing the former or the latter.



Am I correct in reading this statement that you choose both Japanese and Non-Japanese players in your party? If that's the case, who is to say the Japanese do not? Sure no one here can attest for the entire Japanese population to say that none of them do. We can only make assumptions. Having said that, I'd like to make an assumption of my own in regards to the "JP Only" phenomenon from what I have studied, am studying, and have heard from Japanese friends and Professors in my past year here.

For one, from what I've noticed there are a lot more older game players than you'd think. I say this if only for the many older people I see on the trains every day sporting their Nintendo DS's, PSP's, etc. and the bit of literature I've read regarding this, although the names of the sources escape me. Bearing in mind that the typical Japanese person (around age 25 and up) works long, strenuous hours, is forced to go to nomikais (drinking parties), and the occasional overtime, when they get home and plop down on the couch or computer chair, they're going to want to play with as little thinking as possible, and simply noting they'd prefer to party with people in their own language may not seem rude to them. I'm not Japanese so I can't tell you.

Another thought is simply the Japanese perception of the English language in general. Yes they are all required to learn Japanese in middle school. But because of the manner in which its taught, your typical Japanese person can perhaps read a bit of English but very rarely can speak it, as the never-ending advertisements or English Conversation Schools and training I see on a day to day basis can attest to. I've also been told by a Japanese professor that more often than not, Japanese people who avoid English speakers or act very apprehensively should they be forced to engage with one feel that if they can't speak English perfectly and fluently that they should avoid the situation for fear of embarrassment, etc.

Even with these two viewpoints regarding the "JP Only" phenomenon, this is my main point and I'd like to emphasize this:

Why are we making such a big deal out of this? There are Europeans who only play with Europeans, but I never seen threads of people complaining about "German Only" or "Spanish Only". Is it simply because we don't see their shouts in town? Or is it because they aren't as important when compared to the Japanese?



First I'd just like to say, no need for vulgar name calling. Doesn't get us anywhere.

I can't apologize for anyone calling you names, but I don't think anyone has the right to belittle you for asking a question. As for answering it, I personally don't feel there's a need for a separation of servers, although others with my same viewpoint may be a bit more aggressive in getting the point across.

Those who mingle about in their own language are free to do so and have done so to this point. Those who like to mingle with speakers of other languages also have done so to this point. As others have mentioned before me, separating servers is only going to leave gaping holes of low population where its hard to get anything done, which while not hindering those who don't wish to mingle with other language speakers, will detract from those who do.

For example: A friend of mine (another American) was partying together with me and 6 other Japanese people, we played all night and come morning all the Japanese people were starting to get tired. But rather than calling it quits the party members were gradually replaced with Americans as time went on and we were able to keep going. Being confined to one region this wouldn't have been possible.

But alas, my post is long and its getting late. Hopefully things simmer down in here next time i see this thread.

Very long very well written but i disagree. You guys say this all the time "MMOs are made to play with others" a langauge barrier and people that say "JP Only" (or even NA Only which i never saw) is not the best way to do that.

SE is giving us different servers so the creators of the game you are defending disagrees with you.

[DNO]

Many of us have played XI for many years.

and the point is? lol

[Issac]

and the point is? lol

That's basically what I said but it seems to have gone over your head.

All I'm really saying is, stop being so angry and try a little harder. Be genuine.

[SAMINUS]

On a side note. Creating regional servers would actually increase the population of people playing at around the same timeframes. If the Japanese players who play at night during my time were replaced with other American players who majority play during my day time when I play means population increase for me when I am playing which would also mean more possible grinding parties.

[DNO]

That's basically what I said but it seems to have gone over your head.

Actually this is what you said

"You're wrong. I know very little Japanese, yet 99% of the time when I try to communicate on a basic level, they're usually flattered that I'm putting forth the effort. I have zero problems partying with Japanese players. When I'm playing in the early AMs, it's usually a Japanese party that I join to grind.

If you choose to change your mind and put forth a more positive attitude, here's a few polite phrases:
1. よろしくです～ (yoroshiku desu~)　Nice to meet you (Literally: Please treat me well)
2. ありがとう～/どもありがとうございます～　(arigatou~/domo arigatou gozaimasu~) Thank you / Thank you very much (respectful, polite)
3. ごめんなさい (gomen nasai) Sorry
4. じゃまた　(ja mata) See you later
5. またよろしくです～ (mata yoroshiku desu~)　It was nice meeting you again
6. 私はアメリカ人です、でも日本語がすこしわかります　(watashi wa amerikajin desu, demo nihongo ga sukoshi wakarimasu) I'm American, but I can understand a little Japanese."

No where did it say ff11.

So mab your own post went over your head?

anyway all i was saying is that if a have to learn another language to play the english version of the game its fail.