Why give the ability to lockout classes for Raids?

[Eli85]

This community is really quite odd, isn't it? I can't think of any other game where the community routinely does not want the #1 parsing DPSer in their groups. It's mind boggling. All you can really do is be persistent or start your own groups. Perhaps one day the community will drop this ridiculous mindset.

[EllieShadeflare]

This community is really quite odd, isn't it? I can't think of any other game where the community routinely does not want the #1 parsing DPSer in their groups. It's mind boggling. All you can really do is be persistent or start your own groups. Perhaps one day the community will drop this ridiculous mindset.

People are addicted to contributions, rather than the actual damage at the end.

[Alistaire]

People are addicted to contributions, rather than the actual damage at the end.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

In the end it's simple, if BLM has highest personal dps yet doesn't contribute as much of a combined personal+boosted raid dps to end up on top with that considered, they're not the best job to take.

Or to make it even simpler, just roundabout numbers, say a BLM has 5000 dps but a SMN has 4500 while boosting the dps of the rest of the party by 1000 (combined between the 7 people, not 1000 each), it should be pretty easy to figure out who wins.

[Ilyrian]

This community is really quite odd, isn't it? I can't think of any other game where the community routinely does not want the #1 parsing DPSer in their groups. It's mind boggling. All you can really do is be persistent or start your own groups. Perhaps one day the community will drop this ridiculous mindset.

BLM have the potential to be highest dpsers.
You actually have to be good at it to get there though - rolling a BLM isn't an instant 'i win' button and the chasm between a competent BLM and one that isn't is seen on a daily basis.

[Eli85]

BLM have the potential to be highest dpsers.
You actually have to be good at it to get there though - rolling a BLM isn't an instant 'i win' button and the chasm between a competent BLM and one that isn't is seen on a daily basis.

No, not potential. BLM are the highest parsing DPSers. FF Logs provides statistical proof of this.

[Kabooa]

No, not potential. BLM are the highest parsing DPSers. FF Logs provides statistical proof of this.

Yes, and most players -fail to live up to that potential-

[Eli85]

Yes, and most players -fail to live up to that potential-

We're not talking about individual players. We're talking about the job itself. The job, based on the data from all five fights in Sigmascape savage, is the top DPSer. End.

It's because you read them wrong.

On o5s smn parse higher on any performance level . On o7s it's only by the 80th percentile of performance that blm output a smn. On kefka it's by 95th percentile. BLM parse higher on o6s and godkefka. And I'm not even taking in account the devotion raid buff and the radiant shield which easily increase the raid dps by 250.

So yes, they've the potential but obviously only a few succeed to reach it. Because otherwise blm would out dps smn on any performance level which is obviously not the case.

99th percentile, all bosses Sigmascape savage. BLM is #1.

Next.

[EllieShadeflare]

High skill floor? High skill ceiling? What are those?

You're blindly ignoring people when they've explained a possible reason why they might ignore BLM. It's a sad but correct reason, but you don't want to listen.

[Sawamura]

Find some 4-8 friends and do content together in FC or LS.

[HyoMinPark]

No, not potential. BLM are the highest parsing DPSers. FF Logs provides statistical proof of this.

I think you’re misunderstanding a little bit. Yes, BLM are the highest DPS if you look at “All Bosses” in most percentiles on FFLogs (selecting individual fights will yield you different results, because “All Bosses” is a combination off all 4 boss fights in Sigmascape). However, what Illyrian is saying is that you have to be good at the job in order to reach those high numbers. They’re talking about personal potential.

We're not talking about individual players. We're talking about the job itself. The job, based on the data from all five fights in Sigmascape savage, is the top DPSer. End.

Are you looking at individual fights, or just “All Bosses”? Because individual fights will give you different results.

If you look at Chadarnook (since he’s the striking dummy for parse runs this tier), for 50th to Max percentile, BLM ranks as follows:
50th: 3rd
75th: 3rd
80th: 3rd
90th: 1st
95th: 1st
99th: 2nd
Max: 2nd

99th percentile, all bosses Sigmascape savage. BLM is #1.

Next.

Phantom Train (99th): 2nd, under SMN (though SMN can pad on the adds in this fight easily)
Chadarnook (99th): 2nd, under MNK
Guardian (99th): 1st
Kefka (99th): 1st
God Kefka (99th): 1st

That being said, however, you’re looking at almost the absolute top, with the absolute best players. 99th percentile means they are better than 99% of players that upload to FFLogs. You cannot apply the play of 99th percentile to the average player, which goes back to what others are saying when they say BLMs have the potential (read that as personal potential, not job potential) to be the Top DPS. But not every BLM can live up to 99th percentile standards.