Why give the ability to lockout classes for Raids?

[Vivias]

I don't understand how Square thought it was a good idea to give parties the ability to lock out classes they don't like. I understand the notion of preventing dups but every week I run into groups in the Party Finder which lock out BLM's just for being BLMs.... I pull more DPS then most other classes yet we get penalized for people being stupid? How is this fair in the slightest?

[Shamox]

I pull more DPS then most other classes

In theory, yes.
After further investigations, you personally don't.

[Sorriow]

I know this is a stupid bait post, but I bite.

Just because your personal DPS as a black mage should bigger than others, doesn't mean your party contribution is good.
According to accessible public data however, you are doing around 4,1k dps on o7s, and 4,7k dps on o2s.
This is no way near a level where you should confidently say that you pull more damage than other people, making your otherwise valid point null and void.

Despite that, I rather want you to consider my upcoming point.
Don't you think that everyone who is opening a group is entitled to their own rules, which you can freely choose to follow or not by joining or ignoring this group in partyfinder? Secondly, what exactly prevents you from opening your own group with your very own personal ruleset?

[Wintersandman]

Don't you think that everyone who is opening a group is entitled to their own rules, which you can freely choose to follow or not by joining or ignoring this group in partyfinder? Secondly, what exactly prevents you from opening your own group with your very own personal ruleset?

Sorry I had to make this point stand out. It was exactly how I was going to respond.

[Matthew_Fox]

I agree with OP. Obviously since there is no way to measure the actual dps output of players in this game he/she should be allowed on any class.

wait a sec...

I pull more DPS then most other classes

I don't exactly know where you have that information from. I'm very curious how you would know that BLM puts out more dps than other classes. Could you please tell me?

[EllieShadeflare]

I don't exactly know where you have that information from. I'm very curious how you would know that BLM puts out more dps than other classes. Could you please tell me?

Here you go! Should be useful!

But yeah, PUG players are a very terrible way of judging the power of a job. Black Mage is indeed the most powerful DPS in raw DPS, with its numbers skyrocketing with assistance, despite, or rather, because of its lack of utility otherwise. I mean, what do you expect from a class with practical potencies of 554, the same as Red Mage's finishing spells Verflare/Verholy, for their bread and butter spell?

That said, it's wrong for a player to assume they're as good as the 75 percentile because Black Mage does have a bit of a learning curve. Not in the rotation itself, but more to do with the content they're attempting.

[Sarutobi_Daritobi]

MNK gets that now too, either because there is already an MNK in the party. or SAM does not want to share gear... so what?
Start your own group, no one owns you anything, everyone pays their sub, and is entitled to play the game how they want to.

[zuzu-bq]

Most of PUG BLMs are bad, really bad. Not only that but all other jobs that can fit their slots can contribuite more to the safety of a practice, clear or farm. I'm a BLM main and I'm fine with people locking BLM out of some PF, it just raises chances of meeting the objective in exchange of maybe taking a bit longer to fill.

The ability to lock jobs into your PF is to make sure you've a grup with better chances of meeting the objective no? That's why it exists and how everyone uses it for.

I don't exactly know where you have that information from. I'm very curious how you would know that BLM puts out more dps than other classes. Could you please tell me?

On the other side, a good BLM will pull more raid damage contribuition than SMN or RDM (and BRD/MCH without DRG).

[Dzian]

MNK gets that now too, either because there is already an MNK in the party. or SAM does not want to share gear... so what?
Start your own group, no one owns you anything, everyone pays their sub, and is entitled to play the game how they want to.

The start your own group arguement can often be a double edged sword for many reasons.. zurvan ex highlighted this in a big way.

Everyone was going 1 tank set ups and telling people who wanted to join as tank to start there own groups.

The result of that meant you often had 20-30 parties up for him. All with like 4-5/8 members and none of them ever filled up very quickly because there were so many in the list..

[Kaimishi]

I came to understand BLM is locked for many reasons :

-BLM don't have a raise, so in case a healer or a tank dies in hard situation it's most certaintly a wipe. In PU, as there no coordination, a death can quickly happen and the ability to not rely on a healer to raise is amazing.
-BLM is a extremly hard job to play at high level content and since PF equals uncertainty concerning skill level, players do no longer want to take that risk.
-BLM doesn't have any raid buff so if the player it performing poorly then there's not lever for others players to use to compensate.
-A lot of BLM won't use any of their role-job because it makes them clip and may result in failing their rotation if not executed properly. By that I mean, diversion, lucid dream, apocatastase or even virus.
- A lot ppl play casters and start their down PF, thus lock other casters jobs to increase their chances of looting.

In my opinion, and for having played a bunch of classes, BLM is the hardest job to play in savage by far. Player need to start realizing that it requires a lot of work to pull out actual damage. You guys should know that the general opinions of blm is the following : "BLM has the highest personal output damage but 99% of them in PF can't play it properly on top of having no raise". I highlight in PF here. If you look at data, you'll quickly realize that performance-wise, it takes the blm to reach a extremly high performance to outdps a smn, which as by the way, a raise and raid buffs (and a radiant shield that is not even included in the smn personal dps).

Also to make things clearer, BLM has 0 raid damage contribution, it's only personal damage.

The job being selfish and incredibily hard to play makes it a job players do not like to raid with, simply put.