please consider ending the mentor system

[Okamimaru]

I was the noobest noob when i first started this game. It was my first mmo. I was a tank, who didn't know what a tank was. I didn't know what party finder was, what unsync battles mean. What extreme fights are and how difficult they are. I didn't know there were guides on youtube for example for extreme fights.

and did it ever occur to you the do a 5 second Google search to find anything out on your own? It's 2018 where people talk to smart devices more than they do each other and yet noobs can't look up basic questions about a mmo that's now in its 2nd expansion? Hell 90% of sprouts will not ask questions in dungeons and maybe 50% will take advice given... so maybe noobs can do a little leg work while waiting for that dungeon or trial to fill...

[kyomaZZ]

Im also a mentor and i like help new ppl with duties or with the crafting system, but the mentor roulette is a joke. We all know the story what happen when we get an EX primal with mentor roulette.
If only 1 or 2 ppl dont know the strategy its f***d, it happened with me many times, there were some ppl cant even speak english so there was no point to explain the strategy.

Last time i got Odin and a bard keep using lv1 LB as soon as the bar filled..., we wiped 4 times but he refused to listen. So honestly what a mentor can do in a case like this? So yea i left without feeling guilty.

But i agree with the topic, mentor system need a rework

[Ilyrian]

Removing EX primals from the Roulette would be a start.
You wouldn't use the DF to do current EX fights so I don't know why they thought it was a good idea to encourage actual new players to use it with synced old ones.

[BillyKaplan]

The point is truly awful players shouldn't even be able to get it. I'm talking about things like 60+ players who appear to hardly know how to play the game but have the mentor tag anyway.

Being actually good at the game is not a requirement set by SE to becoming a mentor.

[Metalwrath]

Like ive stated before the mentor requirements need to be upped and they need to start punishing them for constantly abandoning duties they dont like when they load.
Yes toxic players exist in both mentor form and non mentor form but the facts are there has been a large increase of toxic mentors that are now outweighing the good ones out there.
I've seen first hand too many times the way mentors act badly towards players both on my main and then on my alt when most of them were trying to pull for my warrior in low level dungeons.Or the classic im gonna pull the boss as soon as im able to regardless if the team is ready.It goes on the whole time in alliance roulette too.
I dont want to see the mentor system removed.I just want to see it improved in a way they can deter or eliminate the bad ones.

[Rowde]

I sifted through the first page and last five, not sure if this has been mentioned or not.

Looking back at the OP... I see two main points:

1) In any mildly challenging duty mentors will often quit straight away.
2) A not insignificant number will actually deliberately sabotage events.


Making mentor status harder to achieve doesn't fix either of these issues.
I assume this behavior occurs because the offenders are trying to speed through to the glamour/mount achievement as fast as possible, and not because they necessarily want to help novices learn older content... or even enjoy it.

Now, concern 2 can already be addressed in game. You can, and should, report ppl for intentionally wiping a group and/or being toxic. But you need to create an evidence trail in the chat log. Ask them politely to stop or change the offending behavior a few times so a GM can see that that an attempt at communication was made and subsequently ignored by the offending player.

For the OP's first concern... perhaps the severity of abandoning a duty needs to be increased for Mentor Roulette. Right now it's a 30 minute penalty for abandoning in the first 10 minutes. I'd like to consider a 3 hour penalty for abandoning in the first 45 minutes. These rules would be exclusive to Mentors doing Mentor roulette, but the if a Mentor is penalized then the penalty applies to all forms of duties (other roulettes, dungeons, trials, etc.).

Essentially make the punishment incredibly detrimental for the toxic ppl that are trying to rush the achievement. Is it even worth it for them to queue at that point? Forty-five minutes is a long time to wait for abandon, and afk'ing that long to force a kick is reportable. So risk getting banned or just not queue? I'd rather keep the bad personalities out completely.

[EmmaVirgin]

to be a mentor is a hard life these days.

- the most "mentors" are trash and just want to look cool with the crown. they made a fools cap out of it. thats why i only have that icon on while the mentor roulette (cuz there is no option to click it off then).

- i rly try to help new ones but they just dont listen or dont give a f***. i dont know.

- ex primals are 90% not possible to finish cuz. i cant explain in french , they dont listen , have no clue about the own class (i cant explain 2-4 players the whole class in there before a bored tank pulls) , the gear is to low (not kidding i had once king moogle mog extreme and both tanks had a lvl 1 ring).

they should rename mentor (a mentor chooses a student/pupil) into kindergardenteacher. thats how i feel most of the time.

I'd like to consider a 3 hour penalty for abandoning in the first 45 minutes.

you clearly never tryed to see it from the other side. just read what i texted.

[Vstarstruck]

For the OP's first concern... perhaps the severity of abandoning a duty needs to be increased for Mentor Roulette. Right now it's a 30 minute penalty for abandoning inthe first 10 minutes. I'd like to consider a 3 hour penalty for abandoning in the first 45 minutes. These rules would be exclusive to Mentors doing Mentor roulette, but the if a Mentor is penalized then the penalty applies to all forms of duties (other roulettes, dungeons, trials, etc.).

No, no dungeon should be taking more then 30 mins, you are asking for trouble with that kind of proposal. Why do you want to encourage people to harass mentors?

it takes 10 mins to kick someone, this is too long for trials, I seen what it is like when people troll them, it sucks.
I love entering groups that are preformed with the intent to troll, with your change they will have a greater field day, just no:

Let me explain a bit more what they most likely mean.

First off ignorant means : lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated
So saying someone wants the mentor chat removed because of such things is fitting, if you explained how you did not know this or that because it is your first MMO. Wouldn't you agree such a term fits your situation? esp when it leads to the second part:
"while the noob tank runs in and instant pulls again when they restart and without reading a mentors wall-of-text."
So what they are getting at, people really have no right to complain on the mentor system when the person does not know what to do, wipes, then pulls again before anyone can say anything. This is where the idea starts "If the person is not going to bother listening, then best to abandon"

Once I entered moogle extreme by mistake and it popped. (new player message) and I believe the mentor was trying to explain what to do as people watched cs/ loaded in. Before the "noob insta pull" she said something on the lines of "tanks need to tank swamp here, it will wipe if you do not do that. Do you know how to tank swamp and what that means?" (this was asked just before the noob insta pull) Even with that she did try to explain tank swamping idea during the CS duration. She wanted to make sure the new person understood what she was talking about.

The insta pull noob tank does not answer and pulls, also does not bother to try tank swamp at all even though the mentor one was requesting for it during the fight and noticed noob tank not moving. Ofc it was a wipe and she started to question why the noob tank felt the need to insta pull if they did not understand the mentor tank. The noob tank resorted to this:

Then everyone just left after.

How do you put in a 3 hour penalty for people that harass mentors?

[Ilyrian]

Tank swamp? Maybe I'm missing the joke here?

[Vstarstruck]

Tank swamp? Maybe I'm missing the joke here?

lol.. guess you don't know how moogle extreme works at 50, its not a joke.

if you do not do it, you wipe, no ifs ands and butts
https://youtu.be/h7N5XIFsJv4