What's your first impression of Eureka?

[MageBlack]

Solo'ing in an MMO is like sex, sure you can do it solo but your experience is greatly improved when you do it with another party.

[Rofel]

tfw your sex partner is afking lmao

[MageBlack]

tfw your sex partner is afking lmao

Don't they always?

[Rofel]

Definitely.

[Vstarstruck]

So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette...

Again, I have nothing against your dislikes...please, give me one quote where I tried to convince you that you should like Eureka.

k, I am irradiated, irritated enough to explain my full thought process, thinking it was obvious you can pick up on it. I do not know how long this will be, but your reply should really give us insights what your true objective is.

I do not know if your objective is trying to start a flame war, like this was pointing out:

Also some posters here should really calm a bit down. At the same time at least one of them is just here for troll attempts or to increase attacks..(maybe to get this thread locked?) Its just better to ignore their posts since they are fine to ignore answers to them anyway. (Still waiting on the answer to my Eureka question) This will just end in a flame war otherwise.

Or if you can't see what you are truly saying behind your words. I will assume this though. If you where a troll and a smart one at that, you would start to back off after seeing this. The reason is because now with people having this in their mind, you might wanna take a safe route and not have these thoughts to be pinned on you. Given this I am going to skip explaining what I think about all the reasons you may be trolling and go to the the idea you simply can't see outside your point of view.

See this first post I quoted from you has the line "So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette..." You should know by know I would reply to such things with the fallacy it is, or where you hoping I would fall in your trap, trying to defend myself in what I said about the MSQ? Did you have replies in your mind on what you might say after I said this? When I talk to people, especially a debate, I am thinking in my head possible replies I may get so I can form my replies to them. So here I am thinking about different possibilities what the person might say. The side effect of doing this is gaining the ability to try to see things from different view points. So I try to understand what people think, however even with all that, I only see 2 reasons for you to be posting such things. 1 is trying to stawman me, so I go off track, then defeat my ultimately by concluding I am not to be debated with, much like your support to one of Divinemights' posts. This also could of been a warning to you, showing I am willing to pick apart and explain in full details like I did with that post. So now you see how much information one can draw with a one line sentence of
"So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette..."
the point in explaining this goes back to this one warning already:

You can say this, but how you act shows a different message.

You really can't see your ultimate point here is to "silence" people that dislike it? Or maybe you have a personal vendetta against me? I usually keep such ideas from public posting, but more as mind game play mapping all possibility I see for your words and actions. At the end of the day when you try bring up an offtopic point (how I acted in MSQ roulette debates) is only there to attempt to silence me, and yet you try to state you do no such thing.

So I need to ask, do you simply do not see what you are truly saying behind your words? In the end "So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette" does not belong here. Maybe you just said this out of impulse, not thinking what you are truly saying. I advice to take your time and think what you are truly saying in the future, and try to see things outside your prospective. I reply fast at times because I do plan what someone may say based what I say, so it is possible this was out of impulse if you have no experience in doing such a thing.

TLDR version: Saying an off subject reply of "So I guess that's why you also used the same "proof" when we were discussing about the MSQ roulette." is in conflict with "Again, I have nothing against your dislikes...please, give me one quote where I tried to convince you that you should like Eureka. " I guess in a way I did point out that one quote you asked for, but overall it is how you are speaking in general and not limited to literally saying "I dislike your likes and you should stop speaking"

[Reynhart]

Or if you can't see what you are truly saying behind your words.

You just see what you want to see behind my words and then blame me for your misunderstanding.

Be happy, I'm done debating with you.

[MageBlack]

You just see what you want to see behind my words and then blame me for your misunderstanding.

Be happy, I'm done debating with you.

Lol, I've tried asking him legit questions on a thread he started, instead he chooses to engage in what he is calling a flame war. Just like eureka, he doesnt like it yet continues to do it.

[Alleo]

To start, some can't help with some NM's. In case you forgot the part where anything 2 levels above you 1 shots you.

Second, I'm not seeing where they called you a white knight for spawning NM's. They're calling you that because you're stating it's not bad because "YOSHI SAID IT'LL GET BETTER!!!1!" Wanna know another feature he says'll be better? Housing. Hmm, still gotta be on in the first few minutes for even the hope of a small, forget larges most of the time.

Here's a much better idea. Why didn't they make Eureka fun now? I don't care about how long it takes. I care to be entertained in it. I'd rather a month of fun than a week of braindead boring. And with how some of the people are rubbing it as, I'm actually terrified of future content.

Funny thing is that a GM had answered a player that its fine to AFK if they cant contribute much to it and only help at the fate. So afking is noth something evil and seeing the post on reddit even the japanese players (not all) are doing that too. At least some of those AFKler might help with rezzing. In the end them helping will not make it faster if there are already enough people there..so I am not really sure why people make a fuss out of it. As long as those people dont pull stuff into this or hinder the group in any other way I am fine. Heck maybe some of those that go AFK might have been doing the content for a longer time on that day and simply wanted to have a break.

Its honestly SEs fault if they decide to create a content where the only necessary thing to spawn a NM (in most cases) is killing certain monsters..then they give NM fates a big amount of experience and loot. And then have 144 players in there. Well what could possible go wrong?

I am just not sure if some posters are not seeing that they are kinda name shaming someone because its quite easy to realize who they mean.

k, I am irradiated, irritated enough to explain my full thought process, thinking it was obvious you can pick up on it. I do not know how long this will be, but your reply should really give us insights what your true objective is.

I do not know if your objective is trying to start a flame war, like this was pointing out:

Or if you can't see what you are truly saying behind your words. I will assume this though. If you where a troll and a smart one at that, you would start to back off after seeing this.

I do like your points and I often like them but in this case I have to defend Reynhart. He was not meant with that sentence. I dont feel that he is a troll, or that he is really mean. (Just maybe a bit off topic but we are all doing that kinda) I think he even went out of his way to answer my question about the life time of Eureka. Its only a bit more heated with the discussion about why people go in there if they dislike it but its just I think better to agree to disagree after so many posts because otherwise it would just go on and on.

after reading way too many pages on this thread it looks like most people that dont like eureka are just trying to dismiss people who like it with nonsense like "white knighting"...

If I remember it correctly there is only one person that uses it a lot and maybe another that used it. There were quite more people that disliked it but kept it civil. So please dont try to spin this into a "they dislike it and hate us". Most of us who dislike it (maybe even all), dislike the content, not the ones playing it..I might argue a lot in this thread but I also often enough said that I dont care if people like it.

There are imo the same amount if not more people (but thankfully still the minority) that like it but post insulting stuff too. Heck there even was a whole thread about how those that dislike it are bad (which got taken down by the mods), we had a post that stated we are a meme, saying that we have no idea because we simply did not play it enough and more. Both sides have their share of aggressive postings but only a minority on both sides have become personal insulting.

Solo'ing in an MMO is like sex, sure you can do it solo but your experience is greatly improved when you do it with another party.

Well that depends °L°. If someone has good hands and a great knowledge about their own body while the partner has not. *g*

Anyway now we have another sentence from Yoshida that the next one will be for solo players too (even though it already should have been that way in Eureka but I cant find the quote on that) so if its not that way, nobody can go around and argue that he never said it would be doable.

[Vstarstruck]

I do like your points and I often like them but in this case I have to defend Reynhart. He was not meant with that sentence. I dont feel that he is a troll, or that he is really offending. (At least not to me ^^ He even went out of his way to answer my question about the life time of Eureka if I remember it correctly.

I do not know your personal standards how to define a troll or not, but I need say this. I did my best explaining my ENTIRE thought process and why I view things I view. He could of pointed out where the misunderstanding may be. But instead of trying get more understanding and cooperation, giving me the same respect and time I gave him, he just ignores what I had to say and dismissive. So with this respect, I do not get how one can say "both sides" are at fault, when every time I reach for understanding, I am tossed away like I do not matter.

Lol, I've tried asking him legit questions on a thread he started, instead he chooses to engage in what he is calling a flame war. Just like eureka, he doesnt like it yet continues to do it.

If you are referring to me, I find this post highly flame war provoking. Do I need to explain why? or why your second post in my thread is? or are you just doing this well knowing that? I did not even get to answer your first post yet, what are you even on about or who are you talking to? If you are referring to me, you are flat out lying then because I did not do any flame war in that thread.

Also note I do like debating, just because I do not like the way some do so, does not mean I hate the general concept. I like debating because I want to learn how people think, and how they see things, if they allow me that is, very irritating what Reynhart has done to me in the past and now.

[Alleo]

I do not know your personal standards how to define a troll or not, but I need say this. I did my best explaining my ENTIRE thought process and why I view things I view. He could of pointed out where the misunderstanding may be. But instead of trying get more understanding and cooperation, giving me the same respect and time I gave him, he just ignores what I had to say and dismissive. So with this respect, I do not get how one can say "both sides" are at fault, when every time I reach for understanding, I am tossed away like I do not matter.

Because we had someone in this thread and others that disliked it and used pictures and stuff like that to attack those that like it and constantly using white knights and stuff like that in posts does not make for a better argument even if the point itselfs are good. At the same time people that disliked it also got swept into one group by some other posters and insulted them through that. Both of it is not good for a discussion.

I dont know if my posts are aggressive or not (I try to not be that way) because English is not my mother tongue but I am quite sure that you wont find words like white knights or fanboy in them, simply because it could just start flame wars. Sadly even when I say that I will keep out of stuff I sometimes have the urge to post answers anyway. x)

(Also I edited my old post a bit..not sure why it changed that part of it into that smiley..that looks just bad..)