What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Teraluna]

This is good content, indeed!

Yes it is. The picture shows a good use of colour, inferred movement, light and shadow. The slight offsetting of the main characters allows room for the wider spread of the stationary or afk ones. Overall then a good picture.

Oh, you mean the actual game content here - well that's pure shite.

[Derio]

Honestly Eureka takes away alot from the regular game. Mendacity tomes, dont need roulettes when you can cap from Eureka in a matter of hours. Dont need clusters from adventurer in need because grade 6 materia drops from lockboxes.

Waiting to see when this content will die out but there is weapons and gear to be crafted so I doubt anytime soon.

[Zojha]

It's still puzzling for me that someone run something when they obviously hate it, that's all.

Why is that puzzling...?

That is the entire point and purpose of putting up rewards, to make people do something they'd otherwise do not. Carrot on a stick principle, the mule moves because of the carrot. And the bigger the dislike for moving, the shinier the carrot needs to be. If the draw of the reward can overcome a strong dislike, that only means it's a good reward to that person.

That effect is (ab)used on purpose. A lot of rewards come exclusively from one particular content. The reason for that is because they're meant to promote that particular piece of content. If people could get the same reward elsewhere, people who dislike the content might choose to skip it.

That's often the case with tomes - Some people might cap with PvP, others with raids/trials, others with dungeons, others with Hunts. I think even Treasure Hunts reward some and Eureka just got added to the list. Even if dungeons are the most efficient, you can just go "screw it" and do Feast if you really hate dungeons, or mix&match at will, at worst it takes longer, you're not locked out entirely.
That's pretty nifty for the user, because if they really dislike one particular option, they can just not do it and still get their shiny. When the reward only comes from a particular piece of content, like a lot of drops, then that choice goes out the window and you can only choose whether to pursue the reward at all or not, you can't choose how you want to pursue it. (At least until the drops become marketable, then you can pursue gil instead)

Hence why I personally consider tomes fairly superior to most other options. They could use some balancing as far as effort to payout is concerned, the balance is atrocious, but they're pretty great on principle. The more choice you have, the better. For the user anyway, not the dev trying to promote his content.

[Maero]

People as long as Relic is tied to it even if it is hated will do it.
Now myself i certainly as hell well not do it for every single job, i would unsub at that point, lol

[Divinemights]

Yeah, saw few familiar names from here AFKing when I am busy helping to pop NM. They are probably busy here calling people white knight or diadem 4.0 lover. Taking full advantage of Eutrka while bashing at it, why not?

[Solarra]

Yeah, saw few familiar names from here AFKing when I am busy helping to pop NM. They are probably busy here calling people white knight or diadem 4.0 lover. Taking full advantage of Eutrka while bashing at it, why not?

I've been critical and I've also been in Eureka a lot these past few days because (in order):

- I want my relic
- I want both minions and the dinosaur mount
- I want to be able to help some friends who are just starting out (two seater mount is most helpful thing I can offer not being a Paladin)
- I want dyeable AF gear
- we were told to give it a chance
So yes, I am doing it primarily for the rewards and I don't feel there is anything hypocritical about that.


Has getting to level 17 changed my mind?

Not really. I admit it does get better but my main criticisms still stand:
- The difficulty is heavily front-loaded (it's much harder at level 1 than level 7, and harder at 7 than 17)
- Not enough variety of things to do
- Only one play-style is viable and that is dull and time consuming:
Kill NM - run to spot where next NM will spawn - afk or kill mobs - kill NM - repeat until time runs out or your group disbands
- Story, what story?
Go get X - Go get more of X - Go get more of X again

I have enjoyed the NM fate train (especially around level 15) but that was highly dependent on the group I was in. Some were lovely; some folk were chatty, some joked around and a few individuals were really kind and went out of their way to help others, grouping with those people was a real pleasure. Others nobody spoke (I did try), and people left the group, disbanded or simply ran ahead or used Aetherytes without warning or caring if they'd left anyone in a bad position. Those groups still got the job done but they weren't a lot of fun (much more bearable at high levels as I was less likely to be one-shot).
So, in conclusion I think I wasn't so much enjoying the content as the company I was in.

I don't hate the content. I love having new areas to explore but I'd like more reasons to do so and some reward for exploring would be nice. I am also looking forward to helping my friends who are just getting started or who got frustrated and gave up just after release, but I still wish the design made it easier for me to do.

[Avatre]

Yeah, saw few familiar names from here AFKing when I am busy helping to pop NM. They are probably busy here calling people white knight or diadem 4.0 lover. Taking full advantage of Eutrka while bashing at it, why not?

Most of them likely being the level 18-20s that are on their mount doing it too(it almost always seems like it's the 18-20s that are sitting around and doing nothing, while the majority of people trying to pop it at level 10-15)

[BillyKaplan]

Most of them likely being the level 18-20s that are on their mount doing it too(it almost always seems like it's the 18-20s that are sitting around and doing nothing, while the majority of people trying to pop it at level 10-15)

Those are sweet summer children who still have spirit in them. Ah, to be young again.

[Reynhart]

That is the entire point and purpose of putting up rewards, to make people do something they'd otherwise do not.

There are different levels of "do not". If you offer me a sticker each time you're allowed to slap me, you can be sure I won't earn any sticker. And if I so vehemently despise a content that some posters do here, you could litterally give me any kind of reward that I won't do the content either, considering there are other options for the same kind of rewards.

If the draw of the reward can overcome a strong dislike, that only means it's a good reward to that person.

Which creates the problem of participating in a content you don't like, that sends the message that the content is worthy of your time. And the only thing that matters in the end is not who does the content, but how many do, drowning your opinion into a statistic.

When the reward only comes from a particular piece of content, like a lot of drops, then that choice goes out the window and you can only choose whether to pursue the reward at all or not, you can't choose how you want to pursue it. (At least until the drops become marketable, then you can pursue gil instead)

The thing is, in FFXIV, the itemization is so restricted than several rewards are closed to each other in the end. Sure the relic will be slightly better, but if you want an i350 weapon, you have other options, like Vstar said. I like this one because I don't like tome farming, don't like crafting or spending millions in crafted gear, and I chose to equip multiple jobs. Specifically wanting the Relic when other weapons exist is no more that applying a pretty glow on a weapon...

Hence why I personally consider tomes fairly superior to most other options.

I really dislike tome farming because it basically kills the content itself. Most of the time, you don't run a particular dungeon, you do a roulette, and run whatever instance the game throws at you. And, by being more powerful than everything except 8-man raid stuff, it also nullifies any other reward, except for the lockout issue.

[Tanathya]

Yes it is. The picture shows a good use of colour, inferred movement, light and shadow. The slight offsetting of the main characters allows room for the wider spread of the stationary or afk ones. Overall then a good picture.

Oh, you mean the actual game content here - well that's pure shite.

Eureka is so fun, people are dying to get in to (not) do it! Lovely.