Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Gin_Gray]

Sitting on their mounts in spots like where Fafnir, Strider, Rider, or anything around the top middle to top right of the map.

Honestly the Afk peeps contribute when the mob is spawned and we all go about our day afterwards. Yeah they could help and kudos for you being lower level contributing in some way I guess, but again when you have 50+ zerging its kind of pointless. We do like 70k x amount of people for everyone whose at cap and at most press a gcd once? Maybe I just don't sweat the small stuff also mounted or not doesn't matter really you all contribute to some degree at the end.

[Awful]

Got kicked from a Skalla group today after first boss as I noticed the SAM wasn't really doing anything and was the healers friend, I get in, say hello tell the healer i'm pulling big as we have a SMN and a SAM, healers WHM so if we get holies great! So I pull and I noticed the SAM is just putting the DoT on everything and them spamming their damage increasing move and not AoEing, I tell them politely "hey can you AoE SAM please", I get nothing which I expected, the healer isn't using Regen either just spamming Cure II and nothing else.

I tell the healer that Regen is great for keeping me up + Asylum which after I get hit with a "I know how to play my class" I apologize as i didn't mean to come off that way and continued on as I usually do, get the next big pull before the boss and I pop every CD, SMN uses Bahamut too AoEing going ham. The SAM still isn't AoEing I ask them kindly again and the healer instantly says "dude back off you're really being annoying" the SMN is even confused saying they should AoE too. I had to pop every single CD as the healer is still just spamming Cure II and nothing else he popped Lucid and Largess and barely had any MP left was a rough start for sure.

The boss unsurprisingly goes down super slow the SAM is just...I don't even know just putting their DoT up/auto attacking/sometimes speed buff and sometimes damage buff? I ask them if they want me to explain how to keep all 3 buffs up (i'm not expert in SAM but I know the basics) and the healer freaks out. They start calling me toxic and how i'm an elitist when I explained no we're in a group I just figured after leveling that AoEing would be in every DPS mind with 3+ mobs and saying that I signed up for group play, we finally kill the boss, roll for loot, I hit Sprint and I see the "have fun waiting in que " in chat and then i'm kicked.

I don't know why people don't want to improve in this game or take any advice I wasn't yelling at them or even being condescending I just want effort and fun in a group, the SAM only made remarks throughout the dungeon saying they'll do it later but man I just don't know anymore it makes me feel like not wanting to help people as this happens a lot in this game, at least for me where I try to be helpful, and patient but I get kicked or get told to be quiet or silence.

[SenorPatty]

I don't know why people don't want to improve in this game or take any advice I wasn't yelling at them or even being condescending I just want effort and fun in a group, the SAM only made remarks throughout the dungeon saying they'll do it later but man I just don't know anymore it makes me feel like not wanting to help people as this happens a lot in this game, at least for me where I try to be helpful, and patient but I get kicked or get told to be quiet or silence.

The hilarious takeaway in all of this is the "have fun waiting in queue"

Yeah, cuz tanks "wait" for DF lvling roulette. HUEHUEHUE

[Awful]

The hilarious takeaway in all of this is the "have fun waiting in queue"

Yeah, cuz tanks "wait" for DF lvling roulette. HUEHUEHUE

Yeah I kinda scratched my head and laughed at that one I didn't understand i'd just have a 30 min penalty but have an insta que later so just a spiteful healer I suppose.

[Madeen_Est]

Yeah I kinda scratched my head and laughed at that one I didn't understand i'd just have a 30 min penalty but have an insta que later so just a spiteful healer I suppose.

But you not suppose to got 30 mins penalty from being kicked...?
Is it a glitch? O-O

[Skivvy]

Skalla fun

I'm sure you meant well, so please don't take this the wrong way, but you tried to offer advice not once, nor twice, not thrice, but 4 times....all before the first boss was dead. I think it's perfectly fine to offer up a tidbit if things are going horribly, but you have to gauge the party and their reactions. If you had no response, maybe just leave it be. After the WHM got snippy, that should have been a 2nd flag to just leave it. I can see how 4 comments along those lines would have been coming off as pushy/annoying.

Viewing this with healer eyes, it always irks me a tiny bit when the tank just declares they're going to pull big without asking the party. It just has the air of "I'm going to do what I want regardless if the rest of you can keep up". Bit of an exaggeration there, but it's just one of those weird things with me. As you mentioned, everyone is signing up for group play when you enter a dungeon. Maybe the healer is rusty/new/not confident with big pulls yet. Perhaps the DPS has been struggling with their AoE rotation. A quick "Hey, mind if I pull big?" may work better than just "I'm pulling big".

[SenorPatty]

Viewing this with healer eyes, it always irks me a tiny bit when the tank just declares they're going to pull big without asking the party. It just has the air of "I'm going to do what I want regardless if the rest of you can keep up". Bit of an exaggeration there, but it's just one of those weird things with me. As you mentioned, everyone is signing up for group play when you enter a dungeon. Maybe the healer is rusty/new/not confident with big pulls yet. Perhaps the DPS has been struggling with their AoE rotation. A quick "Hey, mind if I pull big?" may work better than just "I'm pulling big".

To be completely fair here, a simple "can you not pull big" also works. Communication is a two way street. After all, the other equivalent assumption I'd make of a tank saying they'd pull big is just "hey, I'm just letting you know what I'm doing so you can prepare yourself" and I just happen to like that sort of declaration.

At days end though, all of that happen with Awful's story just seems a breakdown of communication between everyone. Awful's multiple tells of advice can be interpreted good or bad depending on which side of the fence you're sitting on(SMN seemed to agree with Awful while Healer didn't), SAM doesn't say ANYTHING from start to finish. There's a lot of "could have said or not, should've said or not" but at day's end, if everyone is making their assumptions and not actually speaking for themselves, then you get a situation like Awful's.

[Awful]

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I did ask them "hey i'm pulling big" but I got 0 response from the party so I assumed it was fine to just pull everything as the first pull before the boss can easily be taken down, secondly it's a lvl 70 dungeon and it still astounds me that people don't know how to hit their AoE buttons. You have your own standards in your parties, I have mine I want more than just a heartbeat and poor play that's just me though I don't like half assed gameplay I'm sorry I just don't and i'm tired of people on the forums and in game defending it.

And that's fine the group didn't communicate with me so you saying it irks you when a tank wants to pull big yet no one said anything, would you? I don't want excuses in this as there was no communication until I had to comment on the lack of AoEs, spam Cure II and no Regen or anything for that matter, the SMN was the only one besides me pulling their weight now do you think that that's fair? If the healers rusty and the DPS has 0 idea how to play their class should the whole group suffer too?

As for the comment of "just let it be" I hate that kind of comment sorry, I'm not a very vocal person in general but when things bug myself, such as they bug you for a tank pulling big without the consent of the group, then I have to speak up. I don't want this SAM and WHM to go into another Skalla or whatever and continue to do what they're doing I offered help and even when they told me I was toxic and that they know how to play their class I even apologized but I don't support poor play and if you want to just let it be and let it continue be my guest.

But you not suppose to got 30 mins penalty from being kicked...?
Is it a glitch? O-O

I just assumed there's a penalty when you're kicked that's 30 mins, I honestly don't know if anyone can correct me that'd be great, I just logged out when I got kicked.

Agreed.

That's exactly it, there was no communication in the group the SAM just said that they'll do it later meaning they weren't taking the advice which yeah people can interpret themselves as warranted information or not wanted which is fine. I should have saved the logs but it's Friday I wanted to relax and just got off work and wanted to crank out a 70 roulette and that run ended it for the day for me and I just played other games with friends pretty much as it left a bad taste in my mouth.

The SMN was even saying that they should AoE as 2 DPS AoEing makes a huge difference vs 1 and wanted to show them the difference but the healer only talked me down mostly but alas that's roulettes for you I've said all I wanted to say on it mostly.

[SenorPatty]

Nope, no penalty from being kicked. So you can see why I was laughing harder than I should have.

[Skivvy]

I did ask them "hey i'm pulling big" but I got 0 response from the party so I assumed it was fine to just pull everything as the first pull before the boss can easily be taken down, secondly it's a lvl 70 dungeon and it still astounds me that people don't know how to hit their AoE buttons. You have your own standards in your parties, I have mine I want more than just a heartbeat and poor play that's just me though I don't like half assed gameplay I'm sorry I just don't and i'm tired of people on the forums and in game defending it.

And that's fine the group didn't communicate with me so you saying it irks you when a tank wants to pull big yet no one said anything, would you? I don't want excuses in this as there was no communication until I had to comment on the lack of AoEs, spam Cure II and no Regen or anything for that matter, the SMN was the only one besides me pulling their weight now do you think that that's fair? If the healers rusty and the DPS has 0 idea how to play their class should the whole group suffer too?

As for the comment of "just let it be" I hate that kind of comment sorry, I'm not a very vocal person in general but when things bug myself, such as they bug you for a tank pulling big without the consent of the group, then I have to speak up. I don't want this SAM and WHM to go into another Skalla or whatever and continue to do what they're doing I offered help and even when they told me I was toxic and that they know how to play their class I even apologized but I don't support poor play and if you want to just let it be and let it continue be my guest.

There is some irony here that you seem to be getting a bit defensive over my post which had absolutely no ill-intentions. I was just trying to explain why they may have reacted the way they did, and how it can look from the outside. People don't always enjoy having their actions called out, or advice given when not asked for.


Some additional points.

-Yes, communication is key. You failed at it, they failed it, was a team effort all around
-No, I am not defending poor game play, however, I give most players the benefit of the doubt, especially on trivial things like 70 dungeons
-Don't pester your party members. Yes, give advice if you want, but you're not going to be able to force anyone to accept it. Repeatedly harping on members within the first 5 minutes will annoy people.
-If you are that unhappy with your party members, you have the option to leave. I'd assume most people just get through it, but hey, to each their own.