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    I'll let quotes speak from here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormfur View Post
    Want to keep it in Feast or PVP in general? I have no problem with that. But don't act like everyone on the top 100 of the leaderboards across every data center is some shining beacon of skill, because they are not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantrus View Post
    And arguing whether top 100 is a skill achievement or a time committed achievement doesn't invalidate as a means of rewarding effort.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormfur View Post
    Many are, but many are not. And if I were you, I wouldn't want to be lumped with a bunch of people who win-traded, hacked and generally made a mockery of the ranking system. Just because "everybody does it", doesn't make it okay.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantrus View Post
    And so far the arguments against the legitimacy of top 100 have been a joke. Cheaters don't affect top 100; there's a reason the hacker who rhymes with Bount Crusef had to resort to win trading when hacking movement speed and cast times couldn't even get him diamond. Win traders do get top 100, but their effect has been vastly overblown. There have only been 2 successful win traders that high on the Aether ladder because it takes so much effort to win trade several throwing characters up the ladder to even get into matches with the main, and they have to go through several precautions to not get caught. But their existence doesn't invalidate the achievement because their effect is the same as if the reward was top 98 instead, which is pretty much the same system unless you're the two people shut out. If you're one of those two then come back and I'll concede that you got screwed.
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    The feast reward should remain only in ranked mode for a limited time, however there is absolutely no valid reason for it to be just the top 100, SE could make it top 200 or even top 300 and players will still be battling it out for position to get the rewards. As of right now there is an incredible amount of players with alts in the top 100 and SE have shown they care very little to make improvements on the feast game mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
    The feast reward should remain only in ranked mode for a limited time, however there is absolutely no valid reason for it to be just the top 100, SE could make it top 200 or even top 300 and players will still be battling it out for position to get the rewards. As of right now there is an incredible amount of players with alts in the top 100 and SE have shown they care very little to make improvements on the feast game mode.
    The reason to keep it at top 100 is just as equally valid as any other possible reason: because it's an arbitrary gating value SE decided was right for the reward. Top 100, 200, 300, play 500 matches... The validation for any reason is arbitrary and up to SE.
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    If SE goal is to get more players engaging in PvP and reduce the toxicity they are doing it all the wrong way. I seriously think a group of children can hatch out a better plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
    If SE goal is to get more players engaging in PvP and reduce the toxicity they are doing it all the wrong way. I seriously think a group of children can hatch out a better plan.
    What is the correct way?
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    The game mode as is, I'm not going to get into, but simply adding back chat to allow for strategy planning and communication and increasing the top 100 to top 200 is a very small minor fix. It alone solves like a ton of issues and complaint but still make the game mode competitive.
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    The medal system can be change as well to allow for similar goal of which team gets the most medal at the end wins. So many matches where new players refuse to pick up medals and as a range I'm cap at 150. And I just can't communicate to my new teammates to get them. The quick chat does not help. Again, minor small changes goes a long way in improving the game mode and not make it so frustrating especially in the middle of a match with limited communication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
    The game mode as is, I'm not going to get into, but simply adding back chat to allow for strategy planning and communication and increasing the top 100 to top 200 is a very small minor fix. It alone solves like a ton of issues and complaint but still make the game mode competitive.
    Help me with the logic here.
    The toxicity of the players is the cause of the chat ban, but you believed that in order to reduce the toxicity the chat ban should be removed?
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    Last edited by Divinemights; 03-24-2018 at 01:22 AM.

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    The toxicity I believe was the current game mode was not viable for new players. At the time there was to many buttons, you had all your pve abilities plus PvP abilities plus you had to rank up in PvP level to increase the effectiveness of your PvP abilities. The match making was also ineffective as diamond and platinum can be pair up with unrank and bronze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
    The toxicity I believe was the current game mode was not viable for new players. At the time there was to many buttons, you had all your pve abilities plus PvP abilities plus you had to rank up in PvP level to increase the effectiveness of your PvP abilities. The match making was also ineffective as diamond and platinum can be pair up with unrank and bronze.
    I hope you are right, truly, but that is not really what I have been seeing on tryhard discord.
    To stay positive, maybe there is light of hope since Wolfden Pup discord seems to be more friendly to new player.
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