Released a broken Eureka

[Crescents]

Sure we can "educate" them on the best way to do it or the proper way to do it, but telling them their experience was invalid and they're foolish helps very little.

I agree, but what I've seen of these forums the last little while the majority of people try it for a little bit get either bored, stressed out or maybe are just new to what a huge step up of a grind the relic-based content seems to have in contrast with the rest of the game and come onto the forums to proclaim it broken and how they're unsubbing which is why my responses lean towards dismissive I've also seen in my experience people more charitable than not the way I see it, the more people they can make competent the faster NMs melt, the less effort they need to spend.


I don't think incentives are the ONLY way to encourage people to assist underlevels but it's probably the easiest to add and path of least resistance has been the norm. most likely not but they'd be the least effort hence something SE could implement faster the Eureka hate bandwagon is still in full swing it seems though, when it stops being trendy to hate on the content for no reason I think you'll see more real criticism and people actually giving it a fair shot and it being significantly less grindy than the past. The biggest advantage Eureka seems to have is by the time you're level 20 you have enough anemos crystals to buy multiple relics and those who multi class will be surprised to learn once you have more it takes very little effort to get multiple (I had three relics within hours or reaching level 19+)

It's getting really early here so this will be my last reply, but thank you for keeping your responses respectful (not something I see often. . .) and you've given me a lot to think about and made really good points. and lets just both continue to stay painfully optimistic that the next update whatever it may be will fix the issues you and I and the other people in this thread are having.

[SinisterJoints]

Been watching my cousin play it and he's been having a hard time getting into a party and here is what i have noticed.

1. he's level 4 he tries to get into a party for low levels can't hasn't had luck yet he's stuck soloing level 1-3's

2. If he wants to be a part of a train party he gets thrown under bus for higher levels no there is no way to gain anything.

3. you can follow the trains but ultimately die and if a person is nice they will raise you up if not you have to HP and even if so you are too weak to hurt the monster gaining less exp.

Why release something that doesn't benefit everyone but a specific crowd of people?

I must say this turns me off about doing it.

So your cousin cant get into a low level party, and doesn't want to join a nm party and that makes Eureka broken? Dont be stupid. I'm still trying to discern what exactly this means

If he wants to be a part of a train party he gets thrown under bus for higher levels no there is no way to gain anything..

That sentence makes absolutely no sense. No way to gain anything? NM train groups aren't there for experience while popping a NM, they are there for the NM fate xp. Its the fastest way to level, so naturally people are going to go to that. your cousins level does not matter when in NM train groups so if he is activly avoiding NM train groups in search of ones full of people his level then it is his fault.

Why would you follow the NM train, solo, at level 4, and then expect 100% xp on fates that aren't your level?? They are no different than normal fates....

Here is my issue with your complaint.

You haven't played it yet, at all, and are now here making a complaint based on watching someone who doesnt know what they are doing. (as far as eureka goes)

not a impressions thread, I am basically flat out saying its not fit for release.

It doesn't benefit anyone low level and if you work a job in real life good luck getting ahead in this some people quit FFXI because of the grind and getting left out and came to FFXIV for something new something they wouldn't get pushed out and sure you could say eventually they will patch it but it ain't gonna be anytime soon.

Sorry that's just how I see it.

Step One -- Go Into Eureka
Step Two -- Refuse to make your own party
Step Three -- Refuse to join a party with people higher level
Step Four -- Come on forums and blame SE while claiming Eureka is broken
Step Five -- Profit?


Get where this is going? I work a FT job working 60+ a week, have kids, a wife and I am level 20 in eureka.... To sit and blame SE for your cousins lack of inhibitions.. Classic!

[RiyahArp]

There are serious problems with underlevels in Eureka, period.

1. Underlevels can't use the aetherytes till 9, meaning that they can miss out on FATES that are across the map over people who can just port.
2. Underlevels can't sync up, only down, to FATES. 20s can contribute meaningfully to any FATE in the game, underlevels can't.
3. Underlevels aggro everything, but the higher you level the less you aggro period and the more you can deal with them.
4. Getting protean crystals and exp through grinding is more or less useless til very high levels. This leads to FATEs being the only real viable way.
5. The level gap is very tight; you can only solo your exactl level or less. Damage increases too much with just a mob being one level above you. FFXI had this problem too, except that even matches often were impossible to solo.
6. Pop mobs are 4 + levels above the fate they spawn, putting a barrier for people the same level as it to spawn mobs.

Essentially SE frontloaded a lot of the difficulty at the early levels. This leads to pretty boring gameplay as people leech. If you get to about 15ish though, you are in pretty good shape for virtually anything; until then you fall asleep training.

[SinisterJoints]

There are serious problems with underlevels in Eureka, period.

1. Underlevels can't use the aetherytes till 9, meaning that they can miss out on FATES that are across the map over people who can just port.
2. Underlevels can't sync up, only down, to FATES. 20s can contribute meaningfully to any FATE in the game, underlevels can't.
3. Underlevels aggro everything, but the higher you level the less you aggro period and the less you can deal with them.

1) -- So? everyone started at a lower level, unable to use the aetherytes. Deal with it...like everyone else did, its not difficult.
2) Again...so? Everyone had to deal with this. They are no different than fates in the normal part of the game so I dont understand the issue? Join a party and then do the fates. Pretty Simple
3) Again...so? Everyone has to deal with this. It's not a problem with eureka.


just reading your post disgusts me. Here we go with the "ITS TOO HARD" complaints (which is what your post boils down too)

Do you think that all the players that are level 15+ started out at level 10 or something? We ALLLLLLLL started out at level 1... WE ALLLLL dealt with the things you are complaining about. Stop crying over something because its hard

your newly added 4-6 I wont even bother responding too because its the same answer... Deal with it..


Not to devalue your complaint, but you are basically asking for nerfs on Eureka so its easier. I don't agree with that at all! It does NOT take long to get to level 9.... Just join a fate group and off you go!!

I'm not by any means saying that Eureka is perfect... it is FAR from perfect. But, the difficulty is a great change IMO.

[RiyahArp]

The problem is that it's hard at low levels, not at high ones. The only difficulty is enduring to level 20, which isn't good design. So people are getting really bored at how limited the exp curve is; you just sit around in party waiting for a few people to take care of things, and the amount of things you can contribute meaningfully too is very little till you hit 15. The difficulty makes people get carried at low levels instead of having fun

[Remedi]

The problem of the exp gain is a problem that always existed in the game but no1 knew since the game doesn't really work like Eureka in terms of levelling at least in my point of wiew, If some1 that paertipated to the N than fate train can confirm or not that a 10+ level difference makes exp from enemies nil It's appreciated

[ShinMetsu]

Personally, I'll run across the whole map to pick someone up. Pick up as in Raise.
Even if it means i'll miss out on a fate.

You do not need incentives to help other people.


Oh btw, the actual damage output does not seem to matter for contributions.
Even if you everyone in the pt does like 10 dmg per hit, you should be able to easily get gold.
Granted you stay alive.

[Zeonx]

Has nothing to do with level sync. The OP stated their friend was being kicked from NM parties because of their level. You do not need to sync your level to share exp for NMs.

Never said he was being kicked, said he can't get a spot because they rather have a high level LFG than a low one for train when spots open.

I also said Level 3's and 5's were in the train groups but of course that could be friends or LS FC mates getting a boost while some people are nice about it some people aren't and when someone shouts level 4 and then someone shouts a level 20 who do you think they are going to choose?

all day long and trust me he logged off after shouting for a few hours even looking in party finder, idk why you think i said he got kicked.

[SinisterJoints]

Do you know what level sync is? It has been in FFXI for like 8 years, there is NO EXCUSE for this place to lack it, so it is SE's fault.
https://youtu.be/kGvtpwwHoJo?t=615

there IS level sync... The question is... Do YOU know what it is?

The level sync in THIS GAME will only take a higher level and make them lower for the content. It will not take a low level and make them higher. Also it will only happen for Fates, Dungeons, Raids, Trials, etc.

[SinisterJoints]

Never said he was being kicked, said he can't get a spot because they rather have a high level LFG than a low one for train when spots open.

I also said Level 3's and 5's were in the train groups but of course that could be friends or LS FC mates getting a boost while some people are nice about it some people aren't and when someone shouts level 4 and then someone shouts a level 20 who do you think they are going to choose?

all day long and trust me he logged off after shouting for a few hours even looking in party finder, idk why you think i said he got kicked.

make your own group! o.O