Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Ilenya]

...and a SCH that wouldnt dps besides using dots. Needless to say I left.

I have to ask. How big were your pulls, and was Bane being used?Because frankly, Bardam hits like a truck and making sure a tank doesn't die when DPS is slow is kinda the healer's job.

[SenorPatty]

I have to ask. How big were your pulls, and was Bane being used?Because frankly, Bardam hits like a truck and making sure a tank doesn't die when DPS is slow is kinda the healer's job.

Still...15mins on the first boss? Sounds like his party members were dead asleep.

[Otaru]

Had a bit of a weird Leveling roulette yesterday on an alt.

Decided to work on BRD levels and got put in Copperbell and everything seemed pretty fine. Newbie tank with a BLM and WHM to finish it up. After the first pull, WHM seemingly went afk briefly as they didn't move to get on the elevator with the rest of us immediately, but eventually did.

And that's when I noticed the weird way they played WHM. During pulls, between pulls, and after pulls they would constantly cast Protect. Then immediately after, use Largesse and either cast Cure 1s or multiple Medicas. Now, I'm okay if someone just wants to play Heals Only healer, but there's no need to cast Protect constantly or Medica when only the tank is taking damage. I politely explained that Protect didn't need to be reapplied after the start of the dungeon unless we happened to die and asked if they were misclicking it (as I have accidentally hit Protect while trying to heal or hit another skill), only to be met with pure silence and even more Protect casting. Thinking that maybe they were new to healing, I looked at their search info and saw they only had their 40+ WHM and a 15 ACN. Part of me wonders if they were a bot (despite the completely normal name), but for all I know, they were probably just casting every available skill they had while having the tank targeted.

Also, the BLM would randomly stand in melee range, sometimes constantly casting and sometimes just casting once and immediately just auto attacking the rest of the time.

Thankfully tank was pretty normal as far as newbies go, aggro issues and all (as it seems like they didn't run through Novice Hall due to having the Plundered tank set instead and no exp ring).

It was just a really weird experience for me.

[Kakiko]

TL;DR: Praetorium with a WHM who cast 5 Aeros the entire dungeon and nothing else got a carry through (and the achievement for mapping it), after saying that their previous group had "left them behind" before the magitech armour portion.

Went into MSQ Roulette last night on PLD with my fc friend on his MCH. Other tank was a PLD and wanted to OT. Everything's going fine although I flubbed up and died before I could activate the second transporter. No harm done, it happens. Get to the the Colossus, OT pulls first. Okay. No big deal. The healers we have are a WHM and an AST. I notice Combust dot goes on and Aero. Cool. I'm getting Aspected Benefic, cool. My fc friend says in FC chat "WHM isn't doing anything." I thought okay maybe just sending heals out. So I watch cast bar: Nothing. The entire first fight, they stood there. Hrm.

Get through and keep going on. WHM makes a comment about how they've never seen past the part where you get into the armor machine because their group left them the time before. Interesting. We get to the Nero and before I pull, someone else did. I didn't notice who as I was dealing with an fc chat thing. No biggie. I quickly grab the Nero and drag them off the party. I start watching WHM. They're not doing anything. They're just.. standing there. Not moving. Not casting. A few other DPS are doing the same and this fight is going slooooooooow.

The same thing happened at Gaius. I didn't see who pulled but the next thing I know, he's pulled and we're in it. No biggie. But it's taking /forever/ for him to die. I start looking at cast bars and see myself, my OT, and my friend as well as the BRD in the group casting. The AST is casting Malefic and Aspected Benefic. Hrm. Ok well.. FC member says again in fc chat "WHM still doing nothing" and then after the fight in party chat, mentioned that it'd go much faster if we ALL DPS'd.

FC member wants to vote kick the WHM because he said they hadn't done anything in any fights at all, even looking at the battle log while in cut scenes, beyond casting one Aero each time, there's been no activity from them at all. I say go ahead since they're party leader. When we get out of the cut scene, he tries to initiate it buuuuttt.. on Ultima, the boss is again pulled early. This time, however, I catch who is doing it and it's NOT the OT. It's the WHM. They're putting aero out before either tank can pull. I quickly pull off them and turn the boss around but keep watching WHM. They're casting nothing. They're not moving. They're standing in every aoe that happens to land on them because they're not moving. AST starts spamming aspected benefic on them but WHM dies. Now, you're thinking "oh they probably tabbed out and/or went afk" except WHM accepts the raise, heals themselves, and then stands there. WHM also got the achievement for mapping the Praetorium, so even though they had been in there before they hadn't completed it and I'm beginning to understand why their party "left them behind" (I'm betting they were kicked). We ask the WHM /again/ to help out and again they don't even move.

The exact same thing happened on Lahabrea. Before all of us were out of the cut scene, boss is pulled with one Aero thrown on it. We down it easily enough again with the WHM doing literally nothing but standing where you load in.

When the dungeon ends, WHM books it towards the exit and fc friend calls them out with something like "yeah, right for the exit huh?" and I said something about "congratulations for being carried." I'm salty. I comm'd the ACTUAL newbie to the dungeon (the BRD who was actually helping throughout the whole thing).

I received no comms and I don't care.

I don't care that it's super old content.
I don't care that it's really easy content.
I don't believe you should expect, or demand (essentially in this case), to be carried through anything.
Why should you be rewarded with XP (they weren't lvl 70 yet) and tomes and gil (little as it is) for doing not even the bare minimum?

I know vote kicking at the last boss would have looked bad, but on the other hand: Why reward selfishness? We were doing fine with one healer the entire time, we wouldn't have even needed to look for another one - just make sure THAT one (the WHM) wasn't rewarded for their greed.

To top it off, it's the Praetorium. The cut scenes and content already make this an hour-long adventure, why would you want to make it LONGER for everyone else by not helping out (and thus making the fights longer, even by a minute or so)?

Even when called out, directly, in the fight and at the end (because they actually didn't leave right away), there was no excuse given, no apology, no acknowledgement of them having done anything wrong. They just ran to the exit, turned and faced me, and stood there.

Salty? Me? Quite.

[Hestzhyen]

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I'd be salty as all heck too. I don't mind helping newbies and I don't mind people being a bit slow for whatever reason as long as they're trying to participate. Expecting to get carried is a terrible mentality (keep that attitude as a healer and see how far that gets you!) and it's a shame you couldn't kick them. Even more of a shame that no one could call them out and get a response. People have to learn that getting pulled along while they watch Neftlix or afk for extended periods of time to deal with IRL stuff during DF runs is not okay.

And before someone calls me a no-life neckbeard who's never dealt with kids or a demanding job, stuff it. I don't have a problem if something comes up and people ask for time to deal with it. But be polite to your fellow players and make sure you're able to commit to playing through the instance before you drag other people along for the ride. I don't join instanced DF stuff when I'm on call since that would mean I'd be a major inconvenience to at least three other people if I had to be pulled away from the game. I expect the same sort of courtesy in return. We all should.

[Ghishlain]

I'm going to sound very salty, toxic, and elitest with my next comment but I just wanted to get it off my chest.

If you're high enough to ride a mount in Eureka, you're high enough to help pop NMs in the NM train. Get off your damn mount and actually do something useful you lazy pricks.

Thank you.

[Avatre]

I'm going to sound very salty, toxic, and elitest with my next comment but I just wanted to get it off my chest.

If you're high enough to ride a mount in Eureka, you're high enough to help pop NMs in the NM train. Get off your damn mount and actually do something useful you lazy pricks.

Thank you.

Saw too many level 17-20s sitting on their mounts in Eureka last night, doing absolutely nothing, while others(some of them being <10) helping out(even though the damage on some of those monsters is absolute garbage - I was level 11 dealing 80-150[crit] to some of the higher leveled monsters, but I was helping out as best as I could).

[Lilseph]

I'm going to sound very salty, toxic, and elitest with my next comment but I just wanted to get it off my chest.

If you're high enough to ride a mount in Eureka, you're high enough to help pop NMs in the NM train. Get off your damn mount and actually do something useful you lazy pricks.

Thank you.

This is not toxic or elitist at all. It's just true. Things would go way faster if people could help.

[Ilenya]

TL;DR

I had a warrior in Castrum who was doing basically nothing. We wiped at the first pull (somehow, I wasn't watching the healers, may have been screwed up by cutscenes) and I noticed the other tank hadn't done anything. Didn't think much of it until we ran down to the first boss there and noticed the Warrior hadn't moved until it was too late to join in the fight.. I asked if they were okay sometime around the start of the second boss, when they started to comment on not being okay for...Some sort of philosophical weirdness I basically ignored, but they were moving again, if locked out the second boss.

So we pick up the first group, run it towards the cannons, same old, same old, Warrior tank is with us at first, stops around the cannon, doesn't move. At this point I've pointed it out to my FC mates in the run with me, and someone starts a Vote kick, which goes through.

Then the others start complaining. Apparently, this AFK warrior were friends with some of them, and they were wondering why they were kicked. I hadn't noticed the kick at all (I tend to not pay much attention while cutscenes are happening, and I guess it happened just after one finished, or while Cid was walking his way to the third boss), but obviously I knew why, and said as much.

This is when I am informed that apparently it's okay to be carried in easy content and that we should have just let the tank (Who was level 70) do nothing.

Yeah, no.

Whoever booted was clearly in the wrong, and in the end, they had the gall to say I was the salty one when I was explaining why they were booted.

Still...15mins on the first boss? Sounds like his party members were dead asleep.

I'm not saying the DPS were okay. I'm saying blaming the SCH if he was at least DoT+Bane'ing is wrong.

[Iscah]

I'm in two minds on the MSQ dungeons - given all the issues over the forced cutscenes and people swearing they'll never touch it, plus the fact that you don't really *need* two tanks any more, it seems preferable to have someone come in and fill that tank slot so the party can get into the dungeon in the first place. Though at the same time I don’t feel like it's fair for them to do nothing, but then again they're "helping" just by being there. So I don't know if it's good or bad that they did that. (Also I hope they'd step up to the task if they got paired with someone who needed the help.)


(And re. my earlier post on our nearly-wipe in the Labyrinth, it's good to know that it wasn't my doing - I was actually one of the first into the safe zone in the end. I guess everyone delayed their retreat hoping they could defeat him in time and it ended up being too late.)