Eureka Vote

[Soupa]

So that is the excuse to act in an uncivil manner?

In shortest terms without going into the complexities of how much more civil the Japanese are in their interactions, Yes.

[Reynhart]

Are you new to this game or something?

Seriously, check your info before posting, It's becoming tirestome to point all your inconcistencies...

we had an extreme dry period 2 months before sigma

No, we didn't. Patches are released at a steady pace and 4.2 was on point. The only "starving" time we had was between 3.0 and 3.1.

i never said anything about it being confirmed 4.1, STOP putting words in my mouth, stop twisting them for your own personal biases.

Ok, so, you're fully aware that Eureka was never supposed to come out in 4.1, you're also fully aware that Eureka didn't reduce the content of 4.2 since we had our two dungeons, Sigmascape, new beast tribe quests, Savage Sigma that was expected to wait until 4.25, underwater exploration, and now Hildibrand in 4.25...and I'm sure you're also aware that we got Ultimate Coil, Squad Missions and Rival Wings during 4.1x, on top of the promised EX dungeon, normal and ex primal and 24-man raid...but you still claim that it's fully Eureka's fault if we lost one dungeon ?

Bias at its finest...and still without any actual proof...

And that's without counting the fact that a second dungeon for odd patches is worthless since the only thing people focus on is doing their roulette, so they'll run any EX dungeon, and that you still have 90% of the content that follow the same view you apparently think is way better, while the only thing I ask is for at least one piece of content that gives a different vibe.

[Shouko]

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As i've said numbers don't mean anything, people get swept up with the voting game all the time. Considering how many people actually don't come to the forums that either like or hate Eureka don't count so the numbers are just the vocal minority of people who do use the forums.

I mean really who cares if people twist the numbers or are trying to say it was an actual success or not? You don't like it and that's all that should matter to you, don't worry about others or what they're saying.

[Volsung]

Voted, I like it. Of course it needs work and balancing but I'm having a blast.

[Mahrze]

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Everyone who replies to you who isn't agreeing with your PoV:

* Has a personal agenda
* Is a SE whiteknight
* Apparently misrepresents what you say

People hear you, people converse with you and have actively pointed out to you that you're misconstruing information. Very few people are 100% OK with Eureka, Just like very few people (I only see you being so vehement and adamant about it) want it turned to cinders. Yet every time anyone "disagrees" or "is against" you, You resort to the previous 3 points. You argue about fallacies but every post of you I have replied to makes fallacies of its own every time. You assume I am a SEWK, You assume I have a personal agenda or even much more hilarious, you do the same thing you accuse others of doing, putting sentiments, words or ideas that don't relate to the points they try and fail to get across (see the previous three labels listed).

You talk about civilized interaction but you're the first one to attack the other person or label them as something so your train of thought can switch to whatever mode you need to be when replying to everyone who disagrees.

This is exactly why I can safely say you don't try to understand, you don't care to understand. You want to say something and have others agree with you. You're not presenting any facts, only an opinion. And it was heard, and contested. You just refuse to see it any other way.

But thanks for helping my daily post count.

P.S: The quality content quote comes from the site who is citing Yoshi-P as the person who said it. GJ at proving you don't care to understand.

[Vstarstruck]

Everyone who replies to you who isn't agreeing with your PoV:

* Has a personal agenda
* Is a SE whiteknight
* Apparently misrepresents what you say

People hear you, people converse with you and have actively pointed out to you that you're misconstruing information. Very few people are 100% OK with Eureka, Just like very few people (I only see you being so vehement and adamant about it) want it turned to cinders. Yet every time anyone "disagrees" or "is against" you, You resort to the previous 3 points. You argue about fallacies but every post of you I have replied to makes fallacies of its own every time. You assume I am a SEWK, You assume I have a personal agenda or even much more hilarious, you do the same thing you accuse others of doing, putting sentiments, words or ideas that don't relate to the points they try and fail to get across (see the previous three labels listed).

You talk about civilized interaction but you're the first one to attack the other person or label them as something so your train of thought can switch to whatever mode you need to be when replying to everyone who disagrees.

This is exactly why I can safely say you don't try to understand, you don't care to understand. You want to say something and have others agree with you. You're not presenting any facts, only an opinion. And it was heard, and contested. You just refuse to see it any other way.

But thanks for helping my daily post count.

P.S: The quality content quote comes from the site who is citing Yoshi-P as the person who said it. GJ at proving you don't care to understand.

I do not misconstruction information, the others do, I explain why it is misconstruing information, they do it again with more strawmaning. Just like you, I missed commenting on this, but I am fairly sure that is not the correct reference. The flat out sad we are getting less expert dungeons to develop diadem 3.0 more. I am simply saying we do not have the results that show that kind of investment. I do not know what a "SEWK" is, do not assume what I am assuming. I do not assume nothing, I look what is said, analyze it, form a reply that is fitting, so I ask for the same respect back, and I do not get that often.

You can't just blindly claim I make fallacies, you need to explain why that is. Otherwise it is just an empty claim, just like the diadem 3.0 we where given. However I bet you did not explain how I made the accused fallacies because I did not do that. The only one that does not try to understand are the ones sitting here telling people you must not complain about stuff on the OF otherwise that is "toxic" GJ at proving your point you do not care to understand what I say and only here to dismiss me best you can. You do this because you want to try to attempt everyone that dislikes it does not know what they are talking about. So yes I understand, very clearly.

that a second dungeon for odd patches is worthless since the only thing people focus on is doing their roulette, so they'll run any EX dungeon, and that you still have 90% of the content that follow the same view you apparently think is way better, while the only thing I ask is for at least one piece of content that gives a different vibe.

So you want something different so desperately you fill your self with a delusion? Diadem 3.0 is not new, that is why it is referred as such.

[Nestama]

So you want something different so desperately you fill your self with a delusion? Diadem 3.0 is not new, that is why it is referred as such.

So people aren't allowed to enjoy content YOU don't like. Gotcha.
Fun is subjective. I enjoy Eureka, but I also see the issues it has and the things it lacks that it needs (Level Sync for Kill Chain parties and mob visibility being the biggest fixes needed).

[MomomiMomi]

So people aren't allowed to enjoy content YOU don't like. Gotcha.
Fun is subjective. I enjoy Eureka, but I also see the issues it has and the things it lacks that it needs (Level Sync for Kill Chain parties and mob visibility being the biggest fixes needed).

Nah, people are allowed to enjoy it. But calling it different is delusional. It's just Diadem with an inconsequential leveling and elemental system.

[Nestama]

And also encourages exploration (even if it's just "FATE trains," you're still exploring a rather dangerous zone, especially when you get around to doing your Krile quests), people leaving the instance doesn't negatively affect your party and mobs aren't HP sponges once your level matches/surpasses them.

The other two points are minor, but for me, exploration was something I was hoping for (which is something Diadem severely lacks. Diadem 1.0 had you stay on Dinosaur Island and 2.0 had you do objectives that never really took you anywhere and once they were done, you didn't have a reason to stay... unless a NM or the Emergency Mission thing popped).

[Reynhart]

Can I borrow you something, Mahzre ?

Everyone who replies to you who isn't agreeing with your PoV:
* Has a personal agenda
* Is a SE whiteknight
* Apparently misrepresents what you say
* Is delusional

Thank you

And also encourages exploration

And also requires you plan your session so your won't spread out mindlessly...
And also have a real threat concern so that you won't only focus on DPSing at any cost...
And also have permanent progression with the Magicite gathering, then the Aetheryte, then the Mount...
And also have meaningful reward, since Eureka gear will eventually be BiS for this expansion...
And actually have some kind of background to it, which is more to offer than the whole 8-man raid instances...

Yep, toooooooooooootally Diadem...

Diadem 3.0 is not new, that is why it is referred as such.

Funny thing, Eureka is referred as Diadem 3.0 by people who hate Eureka, and they hate Eureka because they call it Diadem 3.0. What best way to prove anything than the good old self-fulfilling prophecy !

But hey, since you said elsewhere that you'd better have an additionnal dungeon than Eureka, I guess you so desperately want to eat the same food that you're okay with Sastasha 53.0...Do you understand that kind of argument better ?

I'd like to ask you a question, though, Vstar...is this character your alt ?