What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Marluxia]

To my great surprise, I am actually enjoying this now that I have pushed through the beginner grind and hit level 9. If you think this place is absolute garbage because of the extreme grind and impossible number of resources required to purchase relics (like I did), I would highly recommend toughing it out and gaining a few levels.

As noble as this sentiment is, I feel compelled to point out that it's a weak argument in favour of Eureka.

Put your hand on a hot stove for 5 hours and you'll probably stop feeling the pain, but by then you'll have done serious damage to yourself.

Unless we're talking about mere minutes, "It gets better at <x>" is not a particularly strong defense because, well, why can't it be good right now?

I doubt you'd cover a third of your steak in motor oil and claim "After you eat the motor oil the steak tastes good."

[Reynhart]

As noble as this sentiment is, I feel compelled to point out that it's a weak argument in favour of Eureka.

No it's not. Would you agree with someone saying to you "The combat system is boring in FFXIV, I have too little things to do" when he was only level 10 in his class ?
The pace in Eureka seems to change drastically depending on your elemental level.

[Marluxia]

No it's not. Would you agree with someone saying to you "The combat system is boring in FFXIV, I have too little things to do" when he was only level 10 in his class ?
The pace in Eureka seems to change drastically depending on your elemental level.

I mean, I don't think the new player experience of FFXIV is particularly engaging either.

I just don't see the point in having some part of a game be boring and tedious other than EA-brand "Sense of Pride and Accomplishment". Is it a bad thing to have an experience that's fun all the way through? Are we at the stage where we're actually proposing the parts of the game be made dull and repetitive for...what, juxtaposition?

Why not just make the first 10 levels really easy to get as opposed to requiring 4+ hours of grinding, if the experience gets way better at 10+?

Or just start players at Level 10, since that seems to be where the fun is.

And since I know it's going to get brought up: No, I don't think it's "entitlement" or "a desperate need for instant gratification" to expect my entertainment mediums to be entertaining. I don't watch a Star Wars movie in a theatre thinking "This would be so much better if they made us watch 50 Shades of Grey before showing us Star Wars".

[Ruf]

No it's not. Would you agree with someone saying to you "The combat system is boring in FFXIV, I have too little things to do" when he was only level 10 in his class ?
The pace in Eureka seems to change drastically depending on your elemental level.

The combat system is boring in FFXIV, I have too many useless things to do & its even worst in eureka as I get all of that useless stuff syncd down + a cosmetic wheel of fortune.

P.s:
Yes I said it useless "there is many things I won't use on purpose" & then the things I did use & like got removed by se,(I miss my stoneskin, this is one of the final fantasy core spells & btw npc can still use it...)
(Another fun fact is that something as usefull as protect is almost being ignored by most players nowadays...)I miss my disable in pve, but of course its in pvp.My point here is that I am not lv10,I actually have all jobs 70
& I actually dropped all the antiquated items & I could actually get it all back & I actually do not care to that much,I'll go in eureka to play with friends but not soo much because I care about the fireworks & armor/weapons/mounts,,, ill probably get a minimal amount once ill make a choice but for the most part,I went back to page.1 on this thread & read my whole way throught 98 to verify what I missed before I even did my first post in here. A large portion of the player base are not ok with this & ("White knights" as they call it) call that minority,Also a lot of players changed arms twice if not thrice,make up your mind...While I understand a lot of players are not posting & playing the content, we (the players posting on forums) are not minority as some ppl like to claim, we are giving examples & well thought/verifiable examples on top of it.I went from not wanting to give the list of things that aren't rights throughout the whole game as of as much we have seen to giving a portion of it as an example,players gave affirmatives as to why a first impression is good & so it was claimed that they dont want to do the same thing over&over for 20 lvls that it is countless/mindless killing for barely any xp on chains or by doing fate trains.We have claimed that players will do the content in fear of being left out later by the system or just accept the poor design & go along to help theses players that goes for that.

P.s. in my p.s: Role actions are an utter *F*a*I*I, even if they changed it already a bit,minus a few "very ''rare" & situational tweaks" most of it in my opinion isn't worth it,se should just delete it like they did with attributes.Eureka doesn't contribute to help any of everything I stated in all my posts.It contribute to the "the bad carrot" on a stick concept & that is so I dont compare it to something else using worst terms like it gives the feel of hidden slv drvng like mos of the society nowaday, wake up ppl.

[Reynhart]

I just don't see the point in having some part of a game be boring and tedious other than EA-brand "Sense of Pride and Accomplishment". Is it a bad thing to have an experience that's fun all the way through? Are we at the stage where we're actually proposing the parts of the game be made dull and repetitive for...what, juxtaposition?

Problem is not everyone has the same definition of fun. And things requires time because it's an MMO.
And, considering people apparently have no problem running doing their daily roulettes for years, Eureka is definitely not the most dull and repetitive progession of the game.

While I understand a lot of players are not posting & playing the content, we (the players posting on forums) are not minority as some ppl like to claim, we are giving examples & well thought/verifiable examples on top of it.

We may give interesting toughts and examples but in the end, we still are a minority. There was census some time ago that showed that less than 5% of the playerbase actually use the official forum. Zetsumei_Tsunarashi's signature even quote that anecdote, and I really doubt it changed drastically since then.
The good part is that we're a minority whatever our opinion is, so no one can use it as a proof to defend their point.

I don't watch a Star Wars movie in a theatre thinking "This would be so much better if they made us watch 50 Shades of Grey before showing us Star Wars".

But I would definitely be pleased if Disney release even an experimental and clumsy Indiana Jones 5 after Star Wars episode X through XLI.

[Ruf]

I don't watch a Star Wars movie in a theatre thinking "This would be so much better if they made us watch 50 Shades of Grey before showing us Star Wars".

Well said...

[Ryoko89]

I love Eureka and yes probably everything about it. I am a sucker for the ff11 nostalgia from the zones look, xp chains, to losing xp when you die, the crawlers, and to the fact lvls make a difference in party for chain xp only. (old whm ff11 power lvler who sat outside of parties healing during chain pulls all talking in voice having a good ol time)

So yeah so far I love it, easy party finds / pick up. The nm trains are amazing and easy way to lvl up any of my lower lvl fc buddies. So far I'm amazed with the community interaction in eureka as well haha

Oddly really like raising all the dead ppls, it's hilarious to die getting tossed across the map and get raised only to get slapped again. No penalty if you're raised so its just funny lol

[Kaonis]

No it's not. Would you agree with someone saying to you "The combat system is boring in FFXIV, I have too little things to do" when he was only level 10 in his class ?
The pace in Eureka seems to change drastically depending on your elemental level.

It's a weak argument just like your argument here is weak. The first X% of a game shouldn't be a slog just to get to the fun or acceptable parts. The argument "It gets better" is just an excuse for bad design.

[Ruf]

I didn't have high hopes for this.

I thought I'd seen the worst already.

Then Yoshi told me to hold his beer.......

I need a coffee.......

[Ruf]

census some time ago that showed that less than 5% of the playerbase actually use the official forum. Zetsumei_Tsunarashi's signature even quote that anecdote, and I really doubt it changed drastically since then.
The good part is that we're a minority whatever our opinion is, so no one can use it as a proof to defend their point.

Census does in no way mean that the other 95% does not approve or fall under the category of what we ~ ~~~Clearly~~claim on forums.I could use real life president voting for an example for this as I know a lot of persons that have thoughts but wont express them, so like that they just rather not vote & so they are stuck with whoever get elected(bad example).Its been said, a lot of players will just rush throught eureka content to keep up with the train so they dont get left behind (& that is taking time, it does not mean they enjoy it & also it does not mean they enjoy posting on forums either, the fact that they do not use forums is completely meaningless so THAT ALSO can not really be used as an argument. I agree on what you said, I cant use that fact that I claim we are majority as an argument to defend anything.I can use the LARGE replys % on "what we can read" about everyone posting tho(some players posted a lot over forums everywhere)