What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Metsonm]

There are plenty of ways you can foster that sense of community and helping people without levelling down. An example I just pulled out of the air was when someone in your party who is a lower level than you dings you get a lockbox. That way there's incentive for high level players and low level players to work together.

Level loss is just false difficulty designed to extend a grind more than it already is.

[BillyKaplan]

That way there's incentive for high level players and low level players to work together.

That would also make people farm raises (not that anyone really needs to in that place but you get my point). They can start with adding more tiers to the raising strangers achievs tho.

[LostLogia4]

My first impression at patch day:
Old-school open world MMO party zone? Meh, just another endgame content that I won't do right now because Ryuumyaku gear SUCKS (and yes, they looked really sucks for me).
After seeing dyeable 5-materia slot relic gear:
Oh, nice gears with decent glamour. I need something hot to do while I wait for next tomestone gear, and Eureka is it. Sign me in, I can handle the grindfest.

And thus the first thing I did after defeating Shinryu (actually its 1 tank and healer in my party killed it in the last 2 minutes) is unlocking Eureka.

[Ryaz]

Eureka's biggest issue is going to be longevity. Right now, it's not terrible despite the grind because a lot of people are doing it, there's a lot of banter going around along with plenty of raises for the hard areas

A month and a half from now after most people have the relics they want? It's going to be a wasteland and any new player hitting 70 and unlocking it is going to find it very tedious. The instance system will help alleviate that a bit, but it's still going to be a huge issue going forward.

[Skeldron]

The content has its flaws,yes, but seriously, why are people complaining that you can't solo it .. its a MMO. U got MANY other Final Fantasy games u can solo if u want to

[Alleo]

real question question to ppl that don't like this content ( I don't like it either) why do you feel like that you need to be so aggressive to the points of those liking it? What is the problem exacltyù? Can't they enjoy something we don't like?

Because frankly now it's becoming absurd

Both sides are quite aggressive at some time. At the start of the thread nobody attacked the opinion of the other side. Only when people started to call us stupid (because we seemingly dont get it thus thats why we dont like it) or a meme and more did people also become way more aggressive. Thats not good but honestly I am also getting a bit of tired that people post that its only us (as those that dislike it) are aggressive..even though we had more than enough posts from someone that likes it. (And its a bit sad that someone comes and say that I lie about the japanese players and then I go back to the thread, search for the highest posts and translate them with google again just to be sure that I remember it right, post all of them here and yet I get no single answer..heck I am still waiting on their post to show me the positives comments that seemingly exists in their opinion. So I guess I was right and this was just a needless personal attack)

Where is the 17 months of development coming from? This was likely finished content awhile ago, and they have been fixing bugs, and probably making adjustments to the instance servers.

Did you know that low level players complained about the atma grind because they couldn't get XP from fates due to them being zerged down before they could get to them?

Did you know that it took people months to get the first set of atmas pre-nerf, and it was only for a marginal increase, because they then had to do animus books to get the actual weapon upgrade?

They annouced it 17 months ago (so it was probably even longer in production) thus they at least worked on this from that point on. Also this should have been ready for 4.0 yet was delayed for half a year, so if they were ready for a longer time then its quite shameful that they still needed a delay and that it still had quite some bugs at release.

Yes I disliked Atmas too (and I think Yoshida himself did not like it...so why do such a step??) so I cant understand how their solution after all this time is another Atma just in Eureka..Take out the killing trash stuff and you are just Fate farming again. Seeing how people already complained about this stuff and they still did it again is horrible imo. Also who knows how long it will take for casuals do get this relic too since you need Pazuzu drops which can only be spawned under certains conditions. Good luck to try this in a few months. I really fear for those people that want it done a bit later. At least you could do all the fates in the normal world solo, while I cant believe that you will be able to beat the higher NM all alone. (Or even spawn them)

So yes they have increased the drop rates of the Atmas...I mean Crystals..thanks to being able to exchange the other kinds to this but kept all the other stuff that people hated and kinda made it worse since you cant solo this.

The content has its flaws,yes, but seriously, why are people complaining that you can't solo it .. its a MMO. U got MANY other Final Fantasy games u can solo if u want to

Because SE said that its possible to do this solo. They dont recommend it but you can do it..but you simply cant. Yes you can use hours and hours to kill the same monsters solo again and again, but can you truly spawn and defeat a NM solo, especially the higher ones or even the last one that is needed to complete the relic? Probably not! So you cant really do it solo.

Edit: Gotta post this here because of post limit...

Can we have the exact quote where they said this ? I fear this coud be a case of exact words where they said you could queue in solo.

No I have no exact quote to this but I do remember that they said that you can do it solo even if its not recommended.

[Skeldron]

You didn't get my point here ... if you complain in a multiplayer game u cant do stuff as effective if u are solo, sry u didnt understand the concept of it. I dont play soccer and complain i need 10 other players to be competitive.

They dont recommend it but you can do it .. i think that says everything. You can solo monsters of your lvl if you are a redmage or tank with ease, but is it the best way .. ofc not.

[Aronys]

Most of the story is soloable, and in lore there is only one WoL, so this game does have a lot of solo stuff for being a MMO. Thinking that everything has to be in a group is silly in this game.

[Reynhart]

Because SE said that its possible to do this solo.

Can we have the exact quote where they said this ? I fear this coud be a case of exact words where they said you could queue in solo.

[BillyKaplan]

Can we have the exact quote where they said this ? I fear this coud be a case of exact words where they said you could queue in solo.

Which actually begs the question of why the frick even do that in the first place, doesn't it? Solo play is really not recommended, as we all agree, and depending on your level you might not even be able to party up once inside. It's nice that you can refill your party when you're in there but good luck for that level 5 WHM who started late and can't even hop on the train because no one looks at you if you admit your level in shout, and you'll get kicked once you're already in. I just invite at random because I don't feel like it matters that much so long as you have a party and because I'd like to be the party I want to see in the world. The alternative is yelling into the void for 3 hours until my time expires.
Let's assume that is what we're misremembering? It's still horrible design at the very least. Also contradictory to every last piece of content outside of it - if you can queue solo, it should mean one of two things - one, you will be partied instantly. Two, you can play the mode alone. This is neither.