Male Spring Bottoms. What the hell?

[Divinemights]

Haha. Oh, look! It's another thread where some very vocal people playing female characters rush to tell people who play male characters what they should and should not get up in arms about.

Nice, what happened to freedom of speech?
THere is something called FF14 blog, you can use it there if you dont want any opposite opinion, because those dont agree with you wont even pay attention to you.

[Theodric]

Nice, what happened to freedom of speech?
THere is something called FF14 blog, you can use it there if you dont want any opposite opinion, because those dont agree with you wont even pay attention to you.

Nobody is saying you can't say what you're saying, though?

It's a more a matter of you and others like you being nothing more than an obstacle. That's really all you are. An obstacle. An unwanted bump in the road.

It's already an uphill battle for people passionate about male glamour options to get anything accomplished due to developer disinterest. It's a real shame, then, that there's no shortage of people rushing to tell us how wrong we are each and every time we try and point out the discrepancies between the amount of options female characters get in this game compared to what male characters receive.

[Lauront]

Yikes, those are terrible!

[Skivvy]

Nice try, but that isn't what I said

Being overly flavorful with how you word things also doesn't help anyone's cause. Out of the "females" that came rushing into this thread and shared an opinion, one stated they liked pants in a rather neutral way, one suggested a modified version, one is implying people are just whining/complaining and the pants are fine, and the rest have been in support of guys getting equivalent styles.

I'm assuming you're in the camp that wants shorts as well (could be wrong, haven't seen anything straight out), but making a broad statement about "Oh look, another thread where some female characters rush in to tell guys what they should get up in arms about" is just insulting those who have been on the side of the guys trying to get equal gear.

[Hestzhyen]

Being overly flavorful with how you word things also doesn't help anyone's cause. Out of the "females" that came rushing into this thread and shared an opinion, one stated they liked pants in a rather neutral way, one suggested a modified version, one is implying people are just whining/complaining and the pants are fine, and the rest have been in support of guys getting equivalent styles.

I'm assuming you're in the camp that wants shorts as well (could be wrong, haven't seen anything straight out), but making a broad statement about "Oh look, another thread where some female characters rush in to tell guys what they should get up in arms about" is just insulting those who have been on the side of the guys trying to get equal gear.

I don't think he was referring to supporters, just detractors and trolls like Divine who see people wanting a benign thing and feel compelled to poop all over them for no reason.

Like, no one's asking for females to get less or worse gear here. Just for guys to get some more love from the designers. What's it to them if we want something?

[Lukha]

He is taking about that thread where a lot of guys want to cross dress their male characters in female dress.

That sounds like my thread, and if that's your takeaway from it you clearly didn't actually read the first post. It's not that we want to crossdress. We can already crossdress perfectly well; male characters of every class have access to several skirts, and almost every class has at least one set of gear that looks pretty 'dress'-like (with casters having MANY given the fine line between 'robe' and 'ballgown').

The problem, and the point is that the devs are bizarrely inconsistent about what they do and don't change; it's fine and dandy for my male White Mage to have a closet full of what are basically ballgowns and evening dresses, but then the devs suddenly balk at giving males a pair of shorts? And even worse, they go and replace those shorts, which are a cute, unique model on female characters, with something utterly shapeless and lacking in detail. AGAIN. They've got a history of doing this and we're sick of it.

All I want is some nice shorts for my character to wear, that aren't the same Summer Trunks I've been using since the first Moonfire Faire, why is that so hard? First the Skallic set crushes my hopes, and now this; my heart can't take much more...

[Shouko]

Actually, I'd like more gender locked gear. Gender locking it would actually add creativity, not stunt it. Unlocked gear means everything has to be the same, that is boring.

It's both actually, locked = less options, but higher amounts of creativity, unlock = less creativity but more options therefore more creativity.

[Alleo]

Nice try, but that isn't what I said.

There is, however, a confirmed track record of people who primarily or solely play male characters having their concerns and feedback suppressed by those who primarily or solely play female characters.

I never understand them. I mean its not like you guys want something very special or anything..you just want the shorts like the female version..I mean what is wrong with that? In a game with that many subligars a short pant like that is kinda normal..(and yes I would never wear the male version, it looks horrible)

So +1 for OP.

(Also what...since when is wearing shorts as a man crossdressing?)

[Lauront]

Because it's true? Or rather, it's become very obvious. But you wouldn't know would you? Probably not. If you look at nearly all the gear (especially caster and healer gear) starting from HW to now, it's either a dress or some "coat" at that is cleverly disguised as a dress. Lot of them look overly feminine. Have you seen the caster SB leveling (62-68) gear? Especially the lvl 64 Caster gear. It's feminine looking and it's ugly at that.

Caster gear isn't even that bad in general, it's a mix of outfits. Healer outfits though are atrocious for males. It's not even the robes that are the issue. Most of the robes look pretty good on male characters and the BLM and RDM ones even have a masculine edge to them. It's outfits like the SMN AF1 set, or the Republican caster/healer sets, that just don't fit a male character very well. Not because they show off body, which IMO is fine, but because of the overall design of the fabrics. I agree with your suggestion to make a male/female variant of outfits that lack a unisex design. Maybe not gender-lock it for the minority who like putting girly outfits on guys and vice versa.

The problem is a lack of options that hurts everyone involved, if we had more options no one would've picked on any one set that goes heavily in either direction because there would've been something to offset it like there is for females most of the time. Some people want to run their male characters as wearing more femininie clothes - not necessarily the Generic Robes™ casters get (and what if I want that, but for my tank? I'm screwed), especially when you look at the variety of outfits female characters get. And then you have the people who want more masculine outfits, who either get screwed over because the set is unisex so they have to put in a boob-window a-la lore tank set (I personally like that on guys, but I get why people complain), or because their idea of what guys wear is what we got in this case, Generic Pants™ that don't even look that good. Pants can look good, I adore the AF3 BRD pants, but they're the extreme minority. Sometimes I have a hard time telling apart the Best Man's slacks from the Butler's slacks from the Slacks of Eternal Passion. Sure, I have 3 options for pants. But are they really options if I can't really tell them apart?
And yes, people can and will complain either way. But these pants in particular are just plain and uninspired, I can't imagine either side is overly happy with them.

Yeah, I think they could resolve this by making a variant of each set intended for each gender but not gender locking it. It'd be a bit more design effort but 1) they have a cash shop and 2) the sub isn't exactly cheap, so I am tired of cop outs and excuses for not spending money on the game.

[Solarra]

Yeah, these pants are awful! Not going to waste gil on these when there are low level craftables that look better.

If the design team can't come up with a decent pair of shorts for the males then I think they should consider recruiting.