Male Spring Bottoms. What the hell?

[Oce]

I'm the one that likened them to medical scrubs on reddit, and after obtaining them in-game my opinion hasn't changed. They're hideous, they don't have the same texture or intensity as the female version, and they really, really look like an afterthought by some guy who's so insecure about his own sexuality that after designing some Kawaii Shorts for his Hawt Avatar that he just cat-butt-faced his way through the male version.

Shorts are not inherently feminine. Jean shorts rolled up are a pretty common hipster fashion. Just because you don't like the hipster fashion doesn't mean it isn't a thing.

Just because you don't want to see it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option.

Your desire not to see something doesn't trump someone else's desire to play the game how they want.

I would never tell someone to stop wearing skimpy bikini's or maid dresses because I find them distasteful, because that's their prerogative to dress their character how they want.

[BillyKaplan]

While I understand the overall frustration with the lack of variety, I don't think these three sets are the right ones to make an example of the issue. They're all variations on mens' suits, so in this case it makes sense for them to be similar-or-the-same.

I'll remind you of this post the next time a dress comes out and it's nothing like any dress released in the game thus far, because where's your "it's the same clothing item so it should look the same" god then? Two of those pants are the exact same model with a different color scheme when one of them is something you have to buy with real money for the wedding. That just shouldn't happen.

[Iscah]

I'll remind you of this post the next time a dress comes out and it's nothing like any dress released in the game thus far, because where's your "it's the same clothing item so it should look the same" god then? Two of those pants are the exact same model with a different color scheme when one of them is something you have to buy with real money for the wedding. That just shouldn't happen.

What I mean is, that example isn't an issue with the game, it's an issue with men's vs women's formal wear. Suits are more uniform than dresses. In a real-life wedding the groom and best man will most likely be wearing variations on the same suit, while the bride and bridesmaid's dresses will be different. All three of those costumes call for that style of pants, or they won't look right - and they've actually gone to some effort to make the third set (butler, I'm assuming) look unique instead of just recolouring the same plain pants again.

I'm not saying there's no issue with variety in men's pants overall, just that these are not a good example of what the issue is. (eg. a better example might be showing three sets of equivalent male and female equipment where the female version is interesting and the male version is plain pants again.)

What do you think they should have done differently with these three specific pairs of pants, while still keeping them looking like formal suit pants?

[Oce]

I agree. I think a better example would be basically any of the recent dungeon or tomestone gear, where females get a mix of shorts, skirts, capris, and unique designs and males get the philosophy of "don't show any skin".

[BillyKaplan]

Suits are more uniform than dresses.

Google would disagree, seriously. That said, they can still have much greater variety than what we have. And the fact all three are basically the same model with minimal adjustments at the waist is the problem here that shows how little effort goes into that sort of thing in the first place. If they had made a new model from scratch per pants, chances are they wouldn't have looked that similar just by virtue of being put together every time, but they can't even put that much effort into it. On one hand, I get why, on the other hand, that's the thing at the root of the problem here.
I wish I had it on hand but just recently I saw an amazing tumblr post about how dreary most men's outfits are in red carpets and award shows and what not... until they looked at the men of color and the suits they rock. Suits being so dreary in design is a white man's myth in and out of the game.

three sets of equivalent male and female equipment where the female version is interesting and the male version is plain pants again.

These sets actually still fall squarely under that, though? Butler, Best Man's, and Groom are all, like you said, variants of the same suit. Meanwhile ladies got a maid's outfit, the bride dress, and the bridesmaid's dress, all of which are heavily different.
And the Best Man's outfit is gender unlocked to boot.

What do you think they should have done differently with these three specific pairs of pants, while still keeping them looking like formal suit pants?

Different textures. Different heights. Put the buttons on the front instead of on the side... if they're even there at all. Patterns on the legs. Different length of pants even if minimal cuz right now it's about all the same. And give them shoes that would be different enough.

[Madeen_Est]

saw some endless argument from earlier comments and wondering myself that is it too much to asking for something like this. D:



it's just a stupid "normal" short pants, for god's sake...
not another subligars or summer trunks/maro type, neither another shisui shi--*cough*... I mean pants.

[Theodric]

Even putting aside real world fashion, this is a game that actively taps into all sorts of different cultures for inspiration for attire. It's also a fantasy game that doesn't shy away from sci-fi and futuristic aesthetics.

So with that in mind? There's really no excuse for this sort of thing. I can look at any past Final Fantasy title and look at the designs of the clothing and armour worn by various male characters. It's often very interesting and unique. Why isn't more of that being tapped into?

As far as suits are concerned, something like this would be wonderful:

[ErryK]

Shorts rolled up above the knee look ridiculous on any grown man in any setting.... if you want shorts suggest cargo shorts, board shorts, athletic shorts... and where is this magical land where men roll their shorts over their knees?

This looks ridiculous? :thinking:

[QueenSophie]

This looks ridiculous? :thinking:

I like fashion as much as the next guy or gal, but the only dudes rolling up jean shorts above their knees, live in MSP or Seattle, and maybe 1 person in the whole XIV player base does this. Does it look cool? Yea, on your average urban Outfitters or Banana Republic male model. I do think it would be a cool glam, but thiniing that alot of people wear shorts like this is a bit much.

[Theodric]

I live in the UK and I've seen multiple people dressed that way...even accounting for it being a fairly cold region for most of the year.