What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Vstarstruck]

I never disrespected people for not liking Eureka. I simply shared my personal views and experiences on it without quoting anyone in particular. And then got pissed when people like you and Kaonis were trying to shove your hate of Eureka down my throat by using subjective arguments that I may not share at all, such at the one on PotD. You were completly disrespecting and dismissing the personal reasons that make me enjoy it. So I did the same.

And even now, you are trying to convince Nestama that "yokai/atma are better because x, y, z." You are disrespecting his own views and liking by doing that. The fact that you like yokai more than Eureka doesn't prove anything to anyone. It's just your subjective opinion.
Nestama didn't like the RNG aspect of atma/yokai and experienced it to be a longer and unpleasent grind compared to Eureka. So simply accept it and move on. Explain why you like/dislike if you want, but don't try to turn it as an objective statement.

again kettle black, you where on our throat, not the other way around, have you forgot all the word twisting you done to me in your first reply to me?

If it's 100% garbage, don't do that optionnal content and wait for it to be nerfed. Go farm the market board instead if that's your jam.

You waited. I didn't. I didn't had any expectations. I cannot care less how long it took to make and release. For me, it's like any other piece of released content that I got to play three days ago. No more, no less.

You do not lose EXP in Eureka. People are here to raise you. Stop blowing that out of proportion. It simply shows how little you know about what is actually going on in Eureka.
And as time goes on, the zerg will fade. At that point, calling is brainless would be a mistake. Whatever the case, you call this relic step brainless. As opposed to what? Farming Atmas? Farming A1S? Farming Fractal Continuum? Farming Light? The relic is a brainless grind and always have been. Except for the very first step of the very first relic.

I was speaking about farming PotD for EXP. If you wipe farming floors 51 to 60 in PotD, you're one of the worst player I've seen.

There are already Lv.20 people who tried dying on purpose to see if they'd get a level down. I'm far from being a 24.7 player.
But what does your question even mean? Did you expect to get your relic in half a week with no effort maybe? You're new to this, aren't you.

Yes. So? FFXIV is still alive and doing well. The formula seems to work.
Anyway, it's funny that you'd ask for "something different and have a different feel" when this thread has a lot of people claiming that the previous relic steps were better than Eureka (you included). "We don't want Eureka, we wan't to get back farming atmas!" is what I read from a lot of people in this thread. And that makes absolutly no sense. So start droping your nostalgia googles.

A recycled plastic bottle isn't "new"? You definition is off and dishonest. You're not even playing with words, you're completly changing their definition.
New content doesn't mean "innovative and unseen". And even then, the map is new, some monsters are new, the elemental wheel is new, the story is new...
But, again, I guess you prefer farming Atmas. This was so new and innovative. /s

rude, insulting, condensing, word twisting. Like this:

Nestama didn't like the RNG aspect of atma/yokai and experienced it to be a longer and unpleasent grind compared to Eureka. So simply accept it and move on. Explain why you like/dislike if you want, but don't try to turn it as an objective statement.

There is no reason what so ever to state this passive/aggressive attack on me. Just because you like something, does not give you the right to act rude to me.

You are not really respecting what I say when you state stuff like "You waited. I didn't. I didn't had any expectations. I cannot care less how long it took to make and release. For me, it's like any other piece of released content that I got to play three days ago. No more, no less." this shows you are either not getting the point, or doing it on purpose for augmentative reasons. you waiting or not has nothing to do with what people are upset about. We did not get 17 months of involvement by development. Relics should of been in SB by 4.1 by the latest, same cycle. People had nothing real to do because of relics behind held so late and top that off from less content for SB to develop it more. It does not show, you missed the point you missed the point of what I was trying to explain about plaice of the dead, it has nothing to do with disagreement of opinions you are not respecting mine and understand what I have to say.

[Nestama]

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I don't know if you're on an alt or if you really started playing this game last year, but Atma Farming was extremely mind numbing on release (and Animus didn't help, either. Standing around, waiting for a specific FATE to spawn. I remember waiting 1-2 hours for a FATE to spawn in East Shroud. That's doing literally nothing in game because I was paranoid that if I did a dungeon, or did other FATE's while waiting, the FATE I am waiting for will be killed before I could make it back in time. Animus is the reason I hate Brayflox Hard Mode to this day). You were required to have your Zenith out, so you couldn't level up alternate Jobs under level 50. The Atma drop rate was also pretty low, so you could spend hours-days in a single zone FATE farming (months for the extremely unlucky). So when I say Eureka is better than Atma (and to some extent, YoKai Watch, as the rewards are not worth it), I am being serious.

[Vstarstruck]

I don't know if you're on an alt or if you really started playing this game last year, but Atma Farming was extremely mind numbing on release (and Animus didn't help, either. Standing around, waiting for a specific FATE to spawn. I remember waiting 1-2 hours for a FATE to spawn in East Shroud. That's doing literally nothing in game because I was paranoid that if I did a dungeon, or did other FATE's while waiting the FATE I am waiting for will be killed before I could make it back in time. Animus is the reason I hate Brayflox Hard Mode to this day). You were required to have your Zenith out, so you couldn't level up alternate Jobs under level 50. The Atma drop rate was also pretty low, so you could spend hours-days in a single zone FATE farming (months for the extremely unlucky). So when I say Eureka is better than Atma (and to some extent, YoKai Watch, as the rewards are not worth it), I am being serious.

Oh i was not talking about at release. I have no opinion on the matter. you really need to clarify what time frame your revering to, I thought I was pretty clear in talking late HW.

End of the day we should had something released for relics ealier in SB, SB was low in content because of this diadem 3.0 development. So to see we did not get much during SB + not getting much out of this diadem 3.0 yeah im upset. I just want something to do that feels filling, not something I can't progress on (go in for 2 hrs gain level 1-2, leave, come back with SO, do 2-4, leave, do 4-5, hard to find groups for the last 2 tries because all the people that care no life it.

[Fyce]

again kettle black, you where on our throat, not the other way around, have you forgot all the word twisting you done to me in your first reply to me?

I'm sorry but you were the one who started to challenge my views and opinions with baseless assumptions and disrespect for my tastes.
All you had to do was to think "that guy likes Eureka. Good for him." And that's it. But no, you felt the need to reply, because you didn't share my opinion.

you waiting or not has nothing to do with what people are upset about.

You said "we waited". I was simply informing you not to include me in that bold statement you made. Don't talk for me.

Throw all the kettles you want. Disrespecting someone's subjective views is not a proper way of starting a conversation on the matter. So, next time, try to be nice, comprehensive and genuinely curious if you don't want a rude answer. Funny how interactions works, right?

Oh i was not talking about at release. I have no opinion on the matter. you really need to clarify what time frame your revering to, I thought I was pretty clear in talking late HW.

I'm sorry, what? Are you telling that all this time you thought that others and myself were comparing Eureka, a newly released grind, with the overly nerfed version of the old ones? Holy heck. Comparing content in the same state is common sense. Of course we were all talking about the original state of these grinds when making these comparisons. Doing otherwise makes no sense at all.
Sorry but I'm really done with you this time. I just realized that the hours I spent justifying my views have been completly misunderstood.
I have no words. May we never speak again. Bye.

In case you're wondering, yes, I'm blacklisting you.

[Nestama]

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I was talking about YoKai Watch, which is the equivalent of Atma farming and since Eureka is tied to Relics (specifically the first few steps), is why I mentioned it. I also find it to be more fair in comparing the first few steps of both Relic and Anima to Eureka's Anemos weapon, rather than the later stages.

Base, Relic, Zenith, Atma
Animated, Awoken, Anima, Hyperconductive.
Base, +1, +2, Anemos.

In the Relic chain, the steps from Base-Zenith are arguably the best, as they required us to do some dungeons, kill some Beastmen, Relic specific Trials and then fight Primals (and Coil, if people hadn't beaten Titan HM yet). From then on, though, the Relic weapon quests turned into the unusual grind. I've already gone over the Atma step and some details on Animus.

For the HW Relics, you could skip the first step of the Anima if you already had a Zeta and getting the Awoken weapon was much faster than the Zodiac(?) step (oh lord, I just remembered the Zodiac step. Doing dungeons over and over again for an RNG drop). The Anima step was... exhausting (and I chose to not do the Anima quest until this particular step was nerfed. Did you know 1 star Specialists were required? and that the crafted items were not sold by GC's?). Hyperconductive I don't remember all that well, but I think it required you to do the Crystal Tower raids once a week... (or spamming dungeons until you have 1800 tomes to buy the material)?

Fun fact: NM's give you Mendacity, so I haven't touched Expert Roulette at all :P

[Merryl]

No. its nothing i care about i hope theyre not disappointed if no one plays it 2 months from now.

[Alleo]

How come people that like this no content area like to personal attack, fallacy, and word twist those that dislike it? Your post is just trying to start a flame war.

Yeah there are quite some of those that like it that simply posted about it but it seems that some needs to personal attack those that dislike it. Its kinda sad, since I cant remember that we ever personal insulted those that like it, yet we had comments that said we are a meme, that we are just to stupid to get it thus we would like it if we get it..and so on. Maybe its better to just ignore the certain people because they are just derailing the thread anyway.

[Remedi]

As someone who has everything Yokai offered, I will gladly take Eureka over the awful slog that was Yokai. While, yes, Eureka at surface levels draws similarity, NM are at least interesting. It also is faster to grind out your relic than Yokai, provided you're smart.

I have plenty of criticisms towards Eureka; chief among them being the lack of secondary objectives, but... I've had fun with it all the same. At least when you get hunt trains going. Yokai? I despised every last second. Only good thing I'll admit is I leveled DRK and ran low level FATEs in joke glamour.

Personally I would take the unidentified items over this (or dare I say solo challenge?) But I agree with the sentiment.

[Derio]

Eureka has its ups and downs. On one end we have the problem where you cant see party members, cant see the boss, cant see aoes, etc.

There is also the lie that Eureka has leveling options.

The only real option is to board the NM train until you get max lvl. Any other leveling strategy will take you forever. I think there should be daily missions, timed objectives. Hunt boards, investigation quests. Group quests that vary for level and award a good amount of xp.

Right now I would still prefer the anima storyline compared to Eureka. I can do the NM train for about an hour, otherwise I will fall asleep on the couch due to the boredom and extreme bot like repetitiveness that this game mode brings.

They should have delayed this again to do a beta test. Instead we have a half baked product that was delayed only to be released too soon and not properly tested.

Eureka has the potential to be something great, but in its current form its nothing but Diadem 3.0 but without the gathering.

[Granyala]

Just went in today in order to test BLM killspeed and efficiency.

Turns out that the most efficient way to level was to kill Lv 2 mobs as a lv 4 player because they die in less than half the time.
As a side observation: very few people at my level are in there, almost all were 13+.

SE really thought with their rear end when they came up with these idiotic levels in there lol.