What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Vstarstruck]

Well RNG was the only factor for me on why I disliked YoKai Watch.

I got my +2 weapon faster than my Atma (and it took months for some people to get an Atma due to terrible luck).

You need to understand, how fast a reward is gotten compared to another has little meaning. Even if it takes longer in RL time, I rather do the atma, shorter in game time, over it. When you level a job though deep you get poetics, there is lots of things to do while you gain poetics. I think it was 2 months? of someone I knew getting a relic done because in those 2 months all they did was dailies, expert, MSQ, (this is back in HW, keep in mind, not the force CS view able stuff) WT, and so on. Once they met the poetic requirement they would take about 3 days to finish the rest of it off. (oh and doing tribes for the undifferentiated items. This method would be preferred over the feel empty methods done in this no content place. It takes too much at once in game time, it is boring, at least with atma you had different things to do, while killing 2 birds with 1 stone sort of speak (leveling a job as you help your relic)

I did farm the Yokai event. But I like Eureka more for reasons you don't. And that's fine.
I don't get why some people like pinnapple on pizzas, but that doesn't mean I'll disrespect their taste and try to prove them wrong. I have nothing to win by doing this. This is why I called these arguments "pointless".

So, again: please respect the fact that some people will like things you may not, for entirely subjective reasons. And that's fine. You don't need to force your tastes and standards on others. Just enjoy what you like and avoid what you dislike. You are more than welcome to say why you like or dislike something (which might provide people with another point of view on things, possibly changing their own opinion) but don't force your views on others. That's pointless. And disrespectful.

kettle black, but I am glad you are trying to start respecting people that hate it.

I am curious though, do you find 17 months of programing for this? worth the wait? for me I would preferred it not exist so development time could been focused on different matters. Remember SE said they gave SB less content because of it, we are not assuming this time around.

[Fyce]

kettle black, but I am glad you are trying to start respecting people that hate it

I never disrespected people for not liking Eureka. I simply shared my personal views and experiences on it without quoting anyone in particular. And then got pissed when people like you and Kaonis were trying to shove your hate of Eureka down my throat by using subjective arguments that I may not share at all, such at the one on PotD. You were completly disrespecting and dismissing the personal reasons that make me enjoy it. So I did the same.

And even now, you are trying to convince Nestama that "yokai/atma are better because x, y, z." You are disrespecting his own views and liking by doing that. The fact that you like yokai more than Eureka doesn't prove anything to anyone. It's just your subjective opinion.
Nestama didn't like the RNG aspect of atma/yokai and experienced it to be a longer and unpleasent grind compared to Eureka. So simply accept it and move on. Explain why you like/dislike if you want, but don't try to turn it as an objective statement.

I am curious though, do you find 17 months of programing for this? worth the wait? for me I would preferred it not exist so development time could been focused on different matters. Remember SE said they gave SB less content because of it, we are not assuming this time around.

I don't believe that Eureka was developped in a continuous 17 months period to begin with. The actual total dev time is unknown. I don't comment on things I have no insight on. I also don't find Stormblood to be lacking any kind of content which would be related to the development of Eureka. I know to understand that the people working on server stability or the story writters are not the ones in charge of making battle content, for example.

So, I can't answer you as to what my opinion is regarding this.

[Vstarstruck]

I never disrespected people for not liking Eureka. I simply shared my personal views and experiences on it without quoting anyone in particular. And then got pissed when people like you and Kaonis were trying to shove your hate of Eureka down my throat by using subjective arguments that I may not share at all, such at the one on PotD. You were completly disrespecting and dismissing the personal reasons that make me enjoy it. So I did the same.

And even now, you are trying to convince Nestama that "yokai/atma are better because x, y, z." You are disrespecting his own views and liking by doing that. The fact that you like yokai more than Eureka doesn't prove anything to anyone. It's just your subjective opinion.
Nestama didn't like the RNG aspect of atma/yokai and experienced it to be a longer and unpleasent grind compared to Eureka. So simply accept it and move on. Explain why you like/dislike if you want, but don't try to turn it as an objective statement.

again kettle black, you where on our throat, not the other way around, have you forgot all the word twisting you done to me in your first reply to me?

If it's 100% garbage, don't do that optionnal content and wait for it to be nerfed. Go farm the market board instead if that's your jam.

You waited. I didn't. I didn't had any expectations. I cannot care less how long it took to make and release. For me, it's like any other piece of released content that I got to play three days ago. No more, no less.

You do not lose EXP in Eureka. People are here to raise you. Stop blowing that out of proportion. It simply shows how little you know about what is actually going on in Eureka.
And as time goes on, the zerg will fade. At that point, calling is brainless would be a mistake. Whatever the case, you call this relic step brainless. As opposed to what? Farming Atmas? Farming A1S? Farming Fractal Continuum? Farming Light? The relic is a brainless grind and always have been. Except for the very first step of the very first relic.

I was speaking about farming PotD for EXP. If you wipe farming floors 51 to 60 in PotD, you're one of the worst player I've seen.

There are already Lv.20 people who tried dying on purpose to see if they'd get a level down. I'm far from being a 24.7 player.
But what does your question even mean? Did you expect to get your relic in half a week with no effort maybe? You're new to this, aren't you.

Yes. So? FFXIV is still alive and doing well. The formula seems to work.
Anyway, it's funny that you'd ask for "something different and have a different feel" when this thread has a lot of people claiming that the previous relic steps were better than Eureka (you included). "We don't want Eureka, we wan't to get back farming atmas!" is what I read from a lot of people in this thread. And that makes absolutly no sense. So start droping your nostalgia googles.

A recycled plastic bottle isn't "new"? You definition is off and dishonest. You're not even playing with words, you're completly changing their definition.
New content doesn't mean "innovative and unseen". And even then, the map is new, some monsters are new, the elemental wheel is new, the story is new...
But, again, I guess you prefer farming Atmas. This was so new and innovative. /s

rude, insulting, condensing, word twisting. Like this:

Nestama didn't like the RNG aspect of atma/yokai and experienced it to be a longer and unpleasent grind compared to Eureka. So simply accept it and move on. Explain why you like/dislike if you want, but don't try to turn it as an objective statement.

There is no reason what so ever to state this passive/aggressive attack on me. Just because you like something, does not give you the right to act rude to me.

You are not really respecting what I say when you state stuff like "You waited. I didn't. I didn't had any expectations. I cannot care less how long it took to make and release. For me, it's like any other piece of released content that I got to play three days ago. No more, no less." this shows you are either not getting the point, or doing it on purpose for augmentative reasons. you waiting or not has nothing to do with what people are upset about. We did not get 17 months of involvement by development. Relics should of been in SB by 4.1 by the latest, same cycle. People had nothing real to do because of relics behind held so late and top that off from less content for SB to develop it more. It does not show, you missed the point you missed the point of what I was trying to explain about plaice of the dead, it has nothing to do with disagreement of opinions you are not respecting mine and understand what I have to say.

[Fyce]

again kettle black, you where on our throat, not the other way around, have you forgot all the word twisting you done to me in your first reply to me?

I'm sorry but you were the one who started to challenge my views and opinions with baseless assumptions and disrespect for my tastes.
All you had to do was to think "that guy likes Eureka. Good for him." And that's it. But no, you felt the need to reply, because you didn't share my opinion.

you waiting or not has nothing to do with what people are upset about.

You said "we waited". I was simply informing you not to include me in that bold statement you made. Don't talk for me.

Throw all the kettles you want. Disrespecting someone's subjective views is not a proper way of starting a conversation on the matter. So, next time, try to be nice, comprehensive and genuinely curious if you don't want a rude answer. Funny how interactions works, right?

Oh i was not talking about at release. I have no opinion on the matter. you really need to clarify what time frame your revering to, I thought I was pretty clear in talking late HW.

I'm sorry, what? Are you telling that all this time you thought that others and myself were comparing Eureka, a newly released grind, with the overly nerfed version of the old ones? Holy heck. Comparing content in the same state is common sense. Of course we were all talking about the original state of these grinds when making these comparisons. Doing otherwise makes no sense at all.
Sorry but I'm really done with you this time. I just realized that the hours I spent justifying my views have been completly misunderstood.
I have no words. May we never speak again. Bye.

In case you're wondering, yes, I'm blacklisting you.

[Nestama]

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I don't know if you're on an alt or if you really started playing this game last year, but Atma Farming was extremely mind numbing on release (and Animus didn't help, either. Standing around, waiting for a specific FATE to spawn. I remember waiting 1-2 hours for a FATE to spawn in East Shroud. That's doing literally nothing in game because I was paranoid that if I did a dungeon, or did other FATE's while waiting, the FATE I am waiting for will be killed before I could make it back in time. Animus is the reason I hate Brayflox Hard Mode to this day). You were required to have your Zenith out, so you couldn't level up alternate Jobs under level 50. The Atma drop rate was also pretty low, so you could spend hours-days in a single zone FATE farming (months for the extremely unlucky). So when I say Eureka is better than Atma (and to some extent, YoKai Watch, as the rewards are not worth it), I am being serious.

[Vstarstruck]

I don't know if you're on an alt or if you really started playing this game last year, but Atma Farming was extremely mind numbing on release (and Animus didn't help, either. Standing around, waiting for a specific FATE to spawn. I remember waiting 1-2 hours for a FATE to spawn in East Shroud. That's doing literally nothing in game because I was paranoid that if I did a dungeon, or did other FATE's while waiting the FATE I am waiting for will be killed before I could make it back in time. Animus is the reason I hate Brayflox Hard Mode to this day). You were required to have your Zenith out, so you couldn't level up alternate Jobs under level 50. The Atma drop rate was also pretty low, so you could spend hours-days in a single zone FATE farming (months for the extremely unlucky). So when I say Eureka is better than Atma (and to some extent, YoKai Watch, as the rewards are not worth it), I am being serious.

Oh i was not talking about at release. I have no opinion on the matter. you really need to clarify what time frame your revering to, I thought I was pretty clear in talking late HW.

End of the day we should had something released for relics ealier in SB, SB was low in content because of this diadem 3.0 development. So to see we did not get much during SB + not getting much out of this diadem 3.0 yeah im upset. I just want something to do that feels filling, not something I can't progress on (go in for 2 hrs gain level 1-2, leave, come back with SO, do 2-4, leave, do 4-5, hard to find groups for the last 2 tries because all the people that care no life it.

[Nestama]

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I was talking about YoKai Watch, which is the equivalent of Atma farming and since Eureka is tied to Relics (specifically the first few steps), is why I mentioned it. I also find it to be more fair in comparing the first few steps of both Relic and Anima to Eureka's Anemos weapon, rather than the later stages.

Base, Relic, Zenith, Atma
Animated, Awoken, Anima, Hyperconductive.
Base, +1, +2, Anemos.

In the Relic chain, the steps from Base-Zenith are arguably the best, as they required us to do some dungeons, kill some Beastmen, Relic specific Trials and then fight Primals (and Coil, if people hadn't beaten Titan HM yet). From then on, though, the Relic weapon quests turned into the unusual grind. I've already gone over the Atma step and some details on Animus.

For the HW Relics, you could skip the first step of the Anima if you already had a Zeta and getting the Awoken weapon was much faster than the Zodiac(?) step (oh lord, I just remembered the Zodiac step. Doing dungeons over and over again for an RNG drop). The Anima step was... exhausting (and I chose to not do the Anima quest until this particular step was nerfed. Did you know 1 star Specialists were required? and that the crafted items were not sold by GC's?). Hyperconductive I don't remember all that well, but I think it required you to do the Crystal Tower raids once a week... (or spamming dungeons until you have 1800 tomes to buy the material)?

Fun fact: NM's give you Mendacity, so I haven't touched Expert Roulette at all :P

[Vidu]

I was talking about YoKai Watch, which is the equivalent of Atma farming and since Eureka is tied to Relics (specifically the first few steps), is why I mentioned it. I also find it to be more fair in comparing the first few steps of both Relic and Anima to Eureka's Anemos weapon, rather than the later stages.

Base, Relic, Zenith, Atma
Animated, Awoken, Anima, Hyperconductive.
Base, +1, +2, Anemos.

In the Relic chain, the steps from Base-Zenith are arguably the best, as they required us to do some dungeons, kill some Beastmen, Relic specific Trials and then fight Primals (and Coil, if people hadn't beaten Titan HM yet). From then on, though, the Relic weapon quests turned into the unusual grind. I've already gone over the Atma step and some details on Animus.

For the HW Relics, you could skip the first step of the Anima if you already had a Zeta and getting the Awoken weapon was much faster than the Zodiac(?) step (oh lord, I just remembered the Zodiac step. Doing dungeons over and over again for an RNG drop). The Anima step was... exhausting (and I chose to not do the Anima quest until this particular step was nerfed. Did you know 1 star Specialists were required? and that the crafted items were not sold by GC's?). Hyperconductive I don't remember all that well, but I think it required you to do the Crystal Tower raids once a week... (or spamming dungeons until you have 1800 tomes to buy the material)?

I'll admit that I didnt read to the whole conversation between you and Vstarstruck, but this post kinda inspired me to look back at the relic-grinds I did and compare them to Eureka. Note that I did 3 relics, taking them from Base in ARR to Lux in HW, always more or less at the time they were current (I think, the last one was always done after nerfs, while the first one was always absolutly in time.)

So, lets see what each relic-step wanted you to do!
Please keep in mind that even though things like Poetics and Lights are an aweful grind, not to different from Eurekas Crystals, you always had multiple options to get both.

A Realm Reborn
Base: Find your base-weapon in a specific location, tied to the lore of it. Get a crafted weapon (base mats are from WP) with materia attached to it. Do the Chimera-trial - a trial specific for the relic. Do AK. Do the Hydra - again, specific relic-trial. Challenge Garuda, Ifrit and Titan HM - all actually difficult at the current time. Buy some stuff with poetics. All in all an engaging quests with a decent challenge (at the time) and some nice lore-bits.
Zenit: Buy some items for Poetics (or whatever tomes were used at the time you were doing the quest - when it was first released, you had to use your uncapped ones, if I remember correctly)
Atma: 12 locations. 12 places to grind FATEs. With a Zenit equipped. So no job-change to get exp.
Animus: Buy a book for Poetics, do the tasks in the book. Tasks uncluding: 3 dungeons, 3 FATEs, 3 Leves, 10x10 enemies. Repeat 9 times.
Novus: The whole "Get Alexandrites and Materia and but them into this stone"-thing. The step to pick your weapons substats! Alexandrite are available from special treasure-maps (can be bought for poetics or as daily quest-reward), as low-rate drops from FATEs (when done with a relic equipped), for hunt-seals (added later, I believe?) - Mainly: you were doing your daily "expert"-roulette to get your daily-map
Nexus: The Light-grind - all ARR content gives you light though, so you can pick and choose wether to join quick Garuda-spams or do some dungeons or PvP
Zodiac: 4 quests, each requires you to get random drops from dungeons (damn them! Potentially having to run AV 50+ times...), a crafted item (that wasnt only endgame-crafting but also endgame-gathering and endgame desynth) and item that you bought for 100k gil from a vendor with a "secret" location.
Zeta: Light-grind again - only quicker now and you had to buy the Mahatmas with Poetics (or other stones)

All quests are spiced up with at least a bit of lore and story - both in regards to the weapon and to Gerolt and his relationships with Rowena, Jalzahn and that poor, poor Drake...
Weapons are having a new, unique model (well, at least until it was re-used for the 350-crafted-weapons)...

Heavensward
Animated: Either turn in your Zeta or do the HW-Atma-FATE-grind
Awoken: Nee to do 10 dungeons from ARR and HW.
"New" Anima: Need to get four items. In order to get those you need to get the Unidentified Things, that can be obtained in several ways (Poetics, Treasure Maps, Beasttribe Tokens, Tokens from Gordias NM), aswell as crafted items (those used to be specialist locked, by now you can also get them for GC-seals)
Hyperconductive: Get 5 Aether-Oils. They can be bought for Poetics or you can get one per week from a weekly quest that involves doing all three of the Crystal-Tower-Raids.
Anima (aka "Battlenames"): Its feeding time! You need to get Umbrite (for Poetics) and Crystal Sand (obtained through multiple trade-ins) and feed your weapon. You can choose your own substats here.
Sharpend: Get 50 Singing Clusters - you can buy them for Poetics, do a daily quest to get 1 and a weekly to get 18 - those quests require you to do roulettes.
"Complete": Do three dungeons and some Light-Farm again.
Lux: ARR and HW HM-Primals are in order! Aswell as buying an item with Poetics.

Quests are involving lore in regards to the experiment of creating an artificial soul, aswell as Gerolts and Ardashirs relationship.
All weapons are having new and unique models.

Stormblood
Base: Get your Job-Quest-weapon and 100 Proteran Crystals from killing mobs or NM in Eureka
+1: Get 400 Proteran Crystals from killing mobs or NM in Eureka
+2: Get 800 Proteran Crystals from killing mobs or NM in Eureka
Anemos: I'm not at that step yet, but from what I understand: you need 3 Pazuzu feathers, so a drop from, well, killing that mob in Eureka...

No real quest tied to the relic insight - Gerolts is a vendor now, with a tiny bit of explantion of Rowena sent him there. Maybe theres more to come - I'm not hopeful though, I'll admit that.
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What I'm getting at is: The old relics, while grindy, always gave you options. And you were both able to do them solo or with friends - or alternate. If one was ahead, that wasnt an issue, you could still run roulettes and stuff together. A lot of things, like the light-grind for example could also "just happen" while you played the game. Even if you're looking just at the first few steps, the old relics had a lot more variation to them.
And all of that on top of the other problems Eureka has - like not being able to handle such large crowds, not being solo-friendly, not being able to play with friends on a different level, single fireworks from lootboxes and basically being Diadem 3.0...

[Penthea]

What I'm getting at is: The old relics, while grindy, always gave you options.

It is far too early to compare SB's take on relic compared to HW and ARR. With Eureka we have access to only the first part of many.

That being said while the old relics gave you options, it was in content you had already done to death. At least Eureka is a completely new zone. It really needs more activities but I'd still rather that than "go grind boring fates in questing zones with rng drops, do beast tribe dailies even though you're already capped on reputation, and do this old dungeon".

[Marluxia]

It is far too early to compare SB's take on relic compared to HW and ARR. With Eureka we have access to only the first part of many.

That being said while the old relics gave you options, it was in content you had already done to death. At least Eureka is a completely new zone. It really needs more activities but I'd still rather that than "go grind boring fates in questing zones with rng drops, do beast tribe dailies even though you're already capped on reputation, and do this old dungeon".

I get the point you're making here, but Eureka is only a new zone in the sense that it looks marginally different. Functionally it's identical to FATE grinding, Hunts, and Dino-Island Diadem, only made way, way worse by the lack of level sync, unreasonably low XP gains, and all the worst parts of zerging like the NM disappearing and being unable to contribute with anything other than healing and raises.