Please change the requirements to become mentor

[NovaLevossida]

I think a good start is requiring mentor status candidates to have a clear on the fourth tier of Savage when that content is relevant. If you're in an odd-numbered patch, then it rolls over to Ultimate or you wait until the next even-numbered patch to clear fourth tier of Savage again.

It's hard to filter out bad people, but they could start with trying to filter out bad players instead of just having it require a time-based grind. There's far too many people who have played since forever but don't know how to play a single job.

[LalaRu]

I think a good start is requiring mentor status candidates to have a clear on the fourth tier of Savage when that content is relevant.

Mentoring and being "gud" are different things. It is as you asking for the Usain Bolt's trainer to be a world record holder himself.

And frankly, the "gud" people I often see in duties, are the least prepared for teaching anything: no patience and ragequit/dramathrow at first mistake are their most common traits.

[BillyKaplan]

I think a good start is requiring mentor status candidates to have a clear on the fourth tier of Savage when that content is relevant.

That sort of content isn't even in the Mentor roulette, which means Mentors are not expected to know it or having even cleared it. Even expansions later, no Savage content (including the 'regular' Coils) have made it into the Mentor roulette. And if a sprout wants to tackle that sort of content, either they know what they're doing and therefore need no help from a Mentor because we're not expected to ever have set foot in that content; or they don't know the first thing about their job, in which case a lone hour inside a Savage instance with 6 other people who want to clear isn't the place to teach them their basic rotation.

[Shouko]

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No on both accounts, as clearing savage content doesn't make you a good mentor, willing to help players regardless of you clearing savage is. I don't even know why you mentioned ultimate, that's for the people that want the hardest challenge in the game and it still doesn't make you a good mentor.

Being a bad player and a bad person are 2 different things, anyone can be a good player if they try and work at it, not everyone wants to be a good person. Take away the rewards and crown and you would see a lot less bad mentors.

[Lilseph]

No on both accounts, as clearing savage content doesn't make you a good mentor, willing to help players regardless of you clearing savage is. I don't even know why you mentioned ultimate, that's for the people that want the hardest challenge in the game and it still doesn't make you a good mentor.

Being a bad player and a bad person are 2 different things, anyone can be a good player if they try and work at it, not everyone wants to be a good person. Take away the rewards and crown and you would see a lot less bad mentors.

I agree. Being able to teach is a separate skill, as it has nothing to do with how much you know about the game.

Though we surely need a "merit" system, where people wearing their shiny crowns would get a rating based on how they performed their role as a mentor. Either that, or you can filter the "mentors" from the mentors by replacing the crown for something less shiny. Like some people suggested, a watering can would be ideal.

[HoodRat]

I think a good start is requiring mentor status candidates to have a clear on the fourth tier of Savage when that content is relevant. If you're in an odd-numbered patch, then it rolls over to Ultimate or you wait until the next even-numbered patch to clear fourth tier of Savage again.

I've seen my share of people with gear from savage content that have absolutely no idea what they're doing. My favorite was the healer who had multiple clears of a12s and yet she had no idea that spamming cure 2 on a tank with near full hp isn't a good thing to do.

And frankly, the "gud" people I often see in duties, are the least prepared for teaching anything: no patience and ragequit/dramathrow at first mistake are their most common traits.

I think it's interesting how peoples' definitions can vary so much, because those "gud" people you often see sound nothing like the good people I see.

Though we surely need a "merit" system, where people wearing their shiny crowns would get a rating based on how they performed their role as a mentor.

How would you set up a rating system for that? In my experience, unsolicited advice is not welcome and most sprouts I've come across in df don't ask questions.

Like I said in another thread, I think people are expecting too much from mentors considering the requirements it takes to be one.

I'm not sure what people are expecting; as long as you know how to log into the game, use df, and switch classes you can pretty much be a mentor.

[Jijifli]

I think a good start is requiring mentor status candidates to have a clear on the fourth tier of Savage when that content is relevant. If you're in an odd-numbered patch, then it rolls over to Ultimate or you wait until the next even-numbered patch to clear fourth tier of Savage again.

So because I haven't killed God-Kefka, then in your eyes, I'm not capable of teaching a BLM newbie the basics of their rotation?

That's just an example of what a Mentor is expected of, helping players learn in places they could be struggling in. I have no idea what God-Kefka and Final Steps of Faith have in common that makes it so I can't mentor someone in Final Steps of Faith.

[Tridus]

I agree. Being able to teach is a separate skill, as it has nothing to do with how much you know about the game.

Though we surely need a "merit" system, where people wearing their shiny crowns would get a rating based on how they performed their role as a mentor. Either that, or you can filter the "mentors" from the mentors by replacing the crown for something less shiny. Like some people suggested, a watering can would be ideal.

^ This. Being a good mentor is not about clearing savage, unless you're trying to mentor someone *in savage*, which is not what the system is for. You do need to know what you're talking about to mentor someone through something, but the desire to teach and the personal communication skills to do it are what really matter.

It should be about the people that want to mentor, rather than people who want rewards.

[NovaLevossida]

So because I haven't killed God-Kefka, then in your eyes, I'm not capable of teaching a BLM newbie the basics of their rotation?

That's just an example of what a Mentor is expected of, helping players learn in places they could be struggling in. I have no idea what God-Kefka and Final Steps of Faith have in common that makes it so I can't mentor someone in Final Steps of Faith.

When the alternative is a grind that asks no competence at all (just time)? Sure, by comparison.

No on both accounts, as clearing savage content doesn't make you a good mentor, willing to help players regardless of you clearing savage is. I don't even know why you mentioned ultimate, that's for the people that want the hardest challenge in the game and it still doesn't make you a good mentor.

Being a bad player and a bad person are 2 different things, anyone can be a good player if they try and work at it, not everyone wants to be a good person. Take away the rewards and crown and you would see a lot less bad mentors.

Mentoring and being "gud" are different things. It is as you asking for the Usain Bolt's trainer to be a world record holder himself.

And frankly, the "gud" people I often see in duties, are the least prepared for teaching anything: no patience and ragequit/dramathrow at first mistake are their most common traits.

You can't filter out bad people. You can filter out poor players though.

I've seen my share of people with gear from savage content that have absolutely no idea what they're doing. My favorite was the healer who had multiple clears of a12s and yet she had no idea that spamming cure 2 on a tank with near full hp isn't a good thing to do.

The people who have cleared Savage when it's relevant are far less likely to be clueless about how to play well than others.

But to that end, I wasn't entirely serious with my original post. We all know from the relic that YoshiP thinks time detached from skill is a basic input for output, so it's no wonder the mentor roulette is set up the same way.

[BillyKaplan]

The people who have cleared Savage when it's relevant are far less likely to be clueless about how to play well than others.

Or they bought a clear.