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    Quote Originally Posted by Coglin View Post
    No, but they should have been. In my opinion, good enfeebling and crowd control abilities/spells are crucial to any MMO.

    Hate to get so far off topic, but they absolute lack of these abilities at this point drives me up the wall, so I felt compelled to speak out after all the off topic debate on it here.
    I am glad they took those abilities/spells off from CNJ/THM because when a new class comes out it will need spells. Sure there are a few spells yet to be brought into the equation such as haste and possibly refresh etc. But those aforementioned spells are in no way crucial at this point in time. Plus I like to think the next mage class will be a debuffer of sorts.
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    If game sucks. Don't fricken play when they ask us to pay. It's very, very, very, very simple. There is no need to over complicate the situation. FFXIV blows imo, up until like a month ago I was dead set on paying. Now, I will pay for the first month, then do other activites to pass the time til I feel like coming back again.

    Regardless of what happens, whether you're paying or not paying. If you enjoy the game play it, if you don't, then don't.

    LET SE CHARGE US; WHEN EVERYONE LEAVES, THEY WILL KNOW WHY. GAMES SUCKS + PAYING FOR IT = NO THX

    or

    WHEN EVERYONE STAYS, THEY WILL KNOW WHY. GAME PWNS + PAYING FOR IT = OK

    Worst case scenario, game fails more then it already has (idk how its possible, but im sure SE could manage), FFXIV dies, we all move on to a different game, and bitch and moan about every insignificant thing on that games official forums.

    Best case scenario, 1.20 is a miracle and we all love it and game has excellent replay value up until 2.0. Then 10 million people buy the game on the relaunch cause of it's success in the last 10+ months and game pwns and we all love it n are addicted cause SE advertised the game flawlessly throughout all of 2012 and the game delivered.

    ^-- Won't happen. Go play Skyrim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainpicard View Post
    My original post was to appeal to them to keep the game free at its core for one reason and one reason alone:

    If it goes pay to play, those who pay, will find themselves very alone.

    Since this is a MMO, you need other people to play it with you.

    If the population falls to a point that its not possible to play the game with other people (which is already starting on my server) then people who are willing to pay will start to question whether or not its warranted.

    So in the end it is very possible that all SE accomplishes is upsetting its most white knight, devoted fanboygirls (a.k.a. You)
    Quote Originally Posted by captainpicard View Post
    I didn't include the color coded reply to a reply to a reply to a reply but people can scroll up if they want to review that.

    Frankly, you seem out of control to me.

    I just made some observations. Take them or leave them. You just lost your cool. Its this type of absurdly emotional ranting that I reference when I refer to white knights.

    I didn't lose my cool. You think I'm sitting in room raging over something that happened on the net? Doubtful. I enjoy heated internet conversations while sitting on my couch watching Smallville lol.

    But you didn't make observations. You took your own biased opinions and stated them as fact. And when I called you out on them you left to make a new thread complaining about me and the other "white knights".

    To be honest, I just want whoever works at SE that reads these forums to know that you are not the majority. Because if they change the game based on your opinions...god help us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainpicard View Post
    I didn't include the color coded reply to a reply to a reply to a reply but people can scroll up if they want to review that.

    Frankly, you seem out of control to me.

    I just made some observations. Take them or leave them. You just lost your cool. Its this type of absurdly emotional ranting that I reference when I refer to white knights.
    No, you actually used the word "fact" and used it to tittle your pure opinion as fact. An attept to pass knowingly unfactual information of as fact is, well, by definition a lie.

    Recap: You flat out lie, at best post with intent to mislead. Then you want to claim someone lost there cool by refuting your post........Its like I stated before, you lost ll credability when you did that. You were ranting and making false claims. lets change a word in your above phrase......and i quote "You just lost your cool. Its this type of absurdly emotional ranting that I reference when I refer to" TROLLING

    Quote Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia View Post
    I am glad they took those abilities/spells off from CNJ/THM because when a new class comes out it will need spells. Sure there are a few spells yet to be brought into the equation such as haste and possibly refresh etc. But those aforementioned spells are in no way crucial at this point in time. Plus I like to think the next mage class will be a debuffer of sorts.
    If that happens, then I am okay with that. My issue is that we have only hints of a few ideas of new classes, we have no time line for them or any factual confirmation one class similar to what you describe will exist. I am speaking of what we know and have confirmation of, not assumtions and conjecture.
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    People should learn to read the OP. He isn't complaining about the game, saying he doesn't want to pay, or saying that it sucks. He's saying that he fears for what will happen to the population of the game once P2P starts, since XIV relies primarily on group oriented content for any kind of progress (raids, exp parties, strongholds, Ifrit, etc.). He's also stating that starting P2P in the midst of a re-balancing patch (1.20), and not a content heavy patch (1.21) seems like a bad move for retaining the current players.

    This is one case where I definitely agree with you, picard. I'm part of two 100+ person LSs that averaged 15-40 online members prior to the last couple of weeks (once SW beta started, and Skyrim and Skyward Sword dropped), and now I don't see more than 8-10 people on each shell at a time, and most of them are afk. P2P isn't going to draw any new people in to the game, and if these other games are pulling people away from XIV, then you can bet that TOR and D3 will once they launch.

    Hopefully the player search function coming 1.20 should help with forming pick-up groups. It just appears that the life is being drained from this game with the lack of content, and that starting P2P with very little content to back it up could easily speed up the process.

    I have no problem paying for XIV myself, but if there is nobody to play with then there is no point in playing the game at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuga View Post
    People should learn to read the OP. He isn't complaining about the game, saying he doesn't want to pay, or saying that it sucks. He's saying that he fears for what will happen to the population of the game once P2P starts, since XIV relies primarily on group oriented content for any kind of progress (raids, exp parties, strongholds, Ifrit, etc.). He's also stating that starting P2P in the midst of a re-balancing patch (1.20), and not a content heavy patch (1.21) seems like a bad move for retaining the current players.

    This is one case where I definitely agree with you, picard. I'm part of two 100+ person LSs that averaged 15-40 online members prior to the last couple of weeks (once SW beta started, and Skyrim and Skyward Sword dropped), and now I don't see more than 8-10 people on each shell at a time, and most of them are afk. P2P isn't going to draw any new people in to the game, and if these other games are pulling people away from XIV, then you can bet that TOR and D3 will once they launch.

    Hopefully the player search function coming 1.20 should help with forming pick-up groups. It just appears that the life is being drained from this game with the lack of content, and that starting P2P with very little content to back it up could easily speed up the process.

    I have no problem paying for XIV myself, but if there is nobody to play with then there is no point in playing the game at all.
    Thank you for articulating my original post better than I originally articulated it. You are dead on with my sentiments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuga View Post
    People should learn to read the OP. He isn't complaining about the game, saying he doesn't want to pay, or saying that it sucks. He's saying that he fears for what will happen to the population of the game once P2P starts, since XIV relies primarily on group oriented content for any kind of progress (raids, exp parties, strongholds, Ifrit, etc.). He's also stating that starting P2P in the midst of a re-balancing patch (1.20), and not a content heavy patch (1.21) seems like a bad move for retaining the current players.

    This is one case where I definitely agree with you, picard. I'm part of two 100+ person LSs that averaged 15-40 online members prior to the last couple of weeks (once SW beta started, and Skyrim and Skyward Sword dropped), and now I don't see more than 8-10 people on each shell at a time, and most of them are afk. P2P isn't going to draw any new people in to the game, and if these other games are pulling people away from XIV, then you can bet that TOR and D3 will once they launch.

    Hopefully the player search function coming 1.20 should help with forming pick-up groups. It just appears that the life is being drained from this game with the lack of content, and that starting P2P with very little content to back it up could easily speed up the process.

    I have no problem paying for XIV myself, but if there is nobody to play with then there is no point in playing the game at all.


    That would be fine and dandy if what he said were his fears and opinions. He STATED that the game would be empty after billing started. Is he psychic or just lieing? I very highly doubt the population will go down much more than it already has, the people playing this game have stuck by it for a year, they must like it at least a little.

    I feel bad for all those people saying they see "8-10 people online" at any given moment. But that that musing is not universal. There are tons of people still playing. If you don't see them you might want to consider doing something about it. Or at least wait until they bring in the cross-server party finder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong View Post
    That would be fine and dandy if what he said were his fears and opinions. He STATED that the game would be empty after billing started. Is he psychic or just lieing? I very highly doubt the population will go down much more than it already has, the people playing this game have stuck by it for a year, they must like it at least a little.
    I actually made a prediction that read as follows, I made no claim of fact, just a prediction, here is relevant text from the OP:

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_Picard
    Predictions

    1. Given the low population, competition from new games coming out in Q4 2011 and Q1/Q2 2012, and a lack of content, this game will face hurdles in retaining the existing tiny player base.

    2. As people choose not to pay to play, unfortunately those that are willing to pay to play will find themselves having an ever more difficult time building an exp party etc and many will ultimately leave out of frustration that there is no one to play with, rather than the fact they are paying or lack of content or otherwise.

    It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If your game is the BEST game in the world but it takes 6 to 8 people to effectively play, and it is a real struggle to get 6 to 8 people together to play, then slowly but surely the player base will erode to nothing due to lack of others to play with.
    If you perceive the statement of "as people choose not to pay to play" as a statement of fact, then you can take it that way, because someone will choose not to pay to play, even if its just one.
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    Mechanic- "Your car is a broken piece of shit sir. Driving it in this condition may harm what you think about both yourself, and the car manufacturer. How have you been driving this in this condition for so long?"

    Owner- " WHat are you talking about!? They make the best cars around! What do you suggest I do?"

    Mechanic - "Well normally I would say get a rental and leave it here with me until we can fix it, but because you seem to think so highly of the manufacturer, I am gonna make an exception. We will continue to service your car a few times a year in hopes of bringing it up to speed so to speak, but we are gonna have to charge you a monthly fee for as long as it takes us to do that."

    Owner- "Can you guarantee my satisfaction with the final product that justifies this ridiculous fee?"

    Mechanic- "Not only can we not do that, but for the first month before we start charging we are going to paint half the car lime green and cut your front breaks. We'll paint the other half and fix your breaks after you start paying us."

    Owner- "Ok, sign me up, but only because I am the dumbest f*&@%$* person on the planet."
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    I agree on 2 points.......Lack of population is not universal, and to claim it so does damage ones credibility when is not supported with fact, as well as, he claimed facts that did not exist, and stated things as fact that were opinion. Whether he meant what Tsuga said or not is not the issue, because it is simply not what he said.
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