Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Divinemights]

Please stop asking to make a PvP exclusive item non-exclusive.
It is not going to happen under S/E that is operating under Asian culture and philosophy.
They don't hand out reward for being last place like North American did to their youth.
It is either you have the strength and determination to claim the reward or you don't.

S/E always have track record of offering PvP exclusive item that is never available for PvE:

http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Stars_Cap

What are you are asking will never happens, you are just arguing for the purpose of arguing right now.
Compares to the available and requirement for this item, Top 100 is really nothing.
Max 10 cap each server. (some server only have 6)

[Vahlnir]

Please stop asking to make a PvP exclusive item non-exclusive.
It is not going to happen under S/E that is operating under Asian culture and philosophy.
They don't hand out reward for being last place like North American did to their youth.
It is either you have the strength and determination to claim the reward or you don't.

S/E always have track record of offering PvP exclusive item that is never available for PvE:

http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Stars_Cap

What are you are asking will never happens, you are just arguing for the purpose of arguing right now.
Compares to the available and requirement for this item, Top 100 is really nothing.
Max 10 cap each server. (some server only have 6)

If they want to make these rewards time sensitive, that's totally fine. But, they should also try and improve PvP in order to make people say "hey, that looks cool, I want to try and get that mount/glamour". They've gotten people to try PvP (look at the Garo event for example) but ultimately, it resulted in very few people actually doing so in the long run. It's just not that compelling or engaging. Couple that with the fact that we have bots running rampant and SE is doing nothing about it and...PvP is simply a mess. I think they need to fix everything wrong with PvP before they continue giving out these rewards. I have no issue with them, but SE needs to give MORE people a reason to try for them. And right now, a good many people simply don't think it's worth it.

[Keridwyn]

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I misread where said peraon was ranked for that thread, my apologies. That does not remove the slew of evidence of ranked Feast botting. I will happily bet you money there is at least one botter in top 100 Feast. Too many people complain about it and post evidence of it for it not to be correct.

Second the closest I came to saying 'hellhounds for all' was pointing out that non-pvpers requested them so there was bound to be a stink and that nobody was asking for them free. I never said 'sure do it' I even pointed out how foolish it was to ask for them with wolf marks.

If they were to put a hellhound behind a grind achievement it needs to be different from the ranked ones somehow. Add a collar or a rug on the back or a particle effect but don't make it the same. You automagically assumed I was someone else out to devalue your achievement and got angry. That is why I responded.

[Divinemights]

I have no issue with them, but SE needs to give MORE people a reason to try for them. And right now, a good many people simply don't think it's worth it.

You will be surprised to find that result after this exclusive item is exactly opposite to what you have described. The Ballista player population received a spike until 2009 Salvage wiped out. As most of Ballista players are also active in end game PvE content.

[Vahlnir]

You will be surprised to find that result after this exclusive item is exactly opposite to what you have described. The Ballista player population received a spike until 2009 Salvage wiped out. As most of Ballista players are also active in end game PvE content.

2 completely different games, so...yeah.

[Aviars]

I misread where said peraon was ranked for that thread, my apologies. That does not remove the slew of evidence of ranked Feast botting. I will happily bet you money there is at least one botter in top 100 Feast. Too many people complain about it and post evidence of it for it not to be correct.

Bots don't play well enough to be in the top 100. Fact. I await for you to point out the bot with proof thanks.

Second the closest I came to saying 'hellhounds for all' was pointing out that non-pvpers requested them so there was bound to be a stink and that nobody was asking for them free. I never said 'sure do it' I even pointed out how foolish it was to ask for them with wolf marks.

If they were to put a hellhound behind a grind achievement it needs to be different from the ranked ones somehow. Add a collar or a rug on the back or a particle effect but don't make it the same. You automagically assumed I was someone else out to devalue your achievement and got angry. That is why I responded.

Let me be frank, I already know why people are upset with the exclusive mount. You repeatedly tell me that Casuals requested the mount, that PVP is full of cheaters, and that PVE players are not asking for them to be free. What are you trying to convince me of? Your entire "argument" is trying to rationalize the other sides feelings to me and yet at the same time you don't agree with them somehow. Interesting

It seems like people are just arguing with me for the sake of arguing. Just a waste of time

Not wasting another post on this response but—

I see that I forgot to include that twisting words is also not a statement of fact.

You said PVE doesn't have exclusives like PVP does. You are in fact, complaining/whining about it. It isn't twisting your words, you just don't want to admit it.

I didn’t say that “the majority” weren’t whining in this thread; actually, I never said anything about denying that whining was going on. I said that you weren’t pointing out “whining” with your condescending remarks and baseless attacks against people that happen to disagree with you—all you’re doing at that point is arguing for the sake of arguing; you can’t point out “whining” for someone who isn’t actually whining. The remarks you have made don’t point out anything, really; they’re just plain old rudeness.

You say you never said people weren't whining, and in the same breathe say people I am debating with aren't whining. No words. You are really grasping here. Just give it up.

I also said that people can make suggestions without reflecting their wants, needs, or desires. I never said that everyone making suggestions was doing that.

I’d ask for a direct quote quoting where I said that no one was whining/the majority in this thread aren’t whining, but I’ll never get it. Just some condescending remark about how you’re going to tell me what I really said, or how I really feel.

Here you go

you can’t point out “whining” for someone who isn’t actually whining.

TIL nobody I was talking to was complaining about how SE was giving PVP Exclusives lol. But you actually know this isn't true.

[Awha]

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As someone that has many unique items in other games, even sold one account to another player due to the items it had. I understand the value exclusive items have especially PvP related ones. I also understand the commitment one has to devote to ascertain the skill level and game sense to climb the ranks and reach the point of being a top tier player. In the end having something exclusive it is nice and knowing you have an item that no longer possible to get is cool. Nevertheless, let us be real though outside of those reasons please point out how providing others the same reward detracts from your own accomplishments obtaining said reward. Only person that can devalue a personal accomplishment is if the one that earned it, since said people has to let an outside factors detract from the value. Baring that in mind I will to consed that having an exclusive reward does provide motivation for some to take part in an actively.

So if I may ask do you object to timed exclusives, now I know they will never do this I am just wondering if you could point how this inherttly detracts from your value of your reward / accomplishment. For example the reward from the previous is made obtaining through some form of currency only obtained through ranked play after the next seasons rewards have already been sent to the top 100 players. This means that the top 100 players to who the reward would have two seasons of having that exclusive mount and as long as they keep reaching top 100 for every season they will have access to the exclusive rewards. Could even take it one step further and make a new currency that is tied to the rank system for that season. In this case when the rewards are granted to the top 100 for the next season said players can start to earn currency only granted only during that season by participating in the feast which can be spent to get the previous season rewards at the end of the season. Which means that the previous season rewards would only be available to earn during the following season since the currency is tied that that season.

Kindly could you please explain to me how the system above detracts from directly from your accomplishment, you still have your timed exclusive and as long as you keep getting top 100 you will always be ahead of the curb from those causal players. Either way I have no dog in this fight since I personally do not take part in an activity unless I enjoy what I am doing despite the rewards outside of extreme cases. Still interested to see how such system devalues your rewards in the grand scheme of things, since if that aspect of notoriety is important to you all you would have to do is keep getting top 100 each season.

[Stormfur]

This thread is 25 pages and counting. If the dev team ever needed to see precisely how the players feel about pvp ranked rewards, this is it.

[Aviars]

As someone that has many unique items in other games, even sold one account to another player due to the items it had. I understand the value exclusive items have especially PvP related ones. I also understand the commitment one has to devote to ascertain the skill level and game sense to climb the ranks and reach the point of being a top tier player.In the end having something exclusive it is nice and knowing you have an item that no longer possible to get is cool. Nevertheless, let us be real though outside of those reasons please point out how providing others the same reward detracts from your own accomplishments obtaining said reward. Only person that can devalue a personal accomplishment is if the one that earned it, since said people has to let an outside factors detract from the value. Baring that in mind I will to consed that having an exclusive reward does provide motivation for some to take part in an actively.

You really only say the same thing over and over again. Basically amounts to if you earn 1 million dollars through hard work, only you let the fact that some else got 1 million dollars for free detract from the satisfaction that you worked hard for your own 1 million dollars. You literally say this in every post. There really is nothing more to say about it, you repeating it over and over again isn't suddenly going to change minds.

So if I may ask do you object to timed exclusives, now I know they will never do this I am just wondering if you could point how this inherttly detracts from your value of your reward / accomplishment. For example the reward from the previous is made obtaining through some form of currency only obtained through ranked play after the next seasons rewards have already been sent to the top 100 players. This means that the top 100 players to who the reward would have two seasons of having that exclusive mount and as long as they keep reaching top 100 for every season they will have access to the exclusive rewards. Could even take it one step further and make a new currency that is tied to the rank system for that season. In this case when the rewards are granted to the top 100 for the next season said players can start to earn currency only granted only during that season by participating in the feast which can be spent to get the previous season rewards at the end of the season. Which means that the previous season rewards would only be available to earn during the following season since the currency is tied that that season.

Kindly could you please explain to me how the system above detracts from directly from your accomplishment, you still have your timed exclusive and as long as you keep getting top 100 you will always be ahead of the curb from those causal players. Either way I have no dog in this fight since I personally do not take part in an activity unless I enjoy what I am doing despite the rewards outside of extreme cases. Still interested to see how such system devalues your rewards in the grand scheme of things, since if that aspect of notoriety is important to you all you would have to do is keep getting top 100 each season.

You can look above. There should be no reason that casual players that don't provide the same effort or skill should have access to the same rewards people put hard work into.

This thread is 25 pages and counting. If the dev team ever needed to see precisely how the players feel about pvp ranked rewards, this is it.

The community wants low effort avenues to gain access to rewards that were exclusive to top 100 players. Basically everything should be accessible for no effort, you have made this quite clear for a while now.

[Kazgrel]

Looks like they’ve taken a cue from WoW with having exclusive pvp mounts for ranked play. I’m fine with that, really, but there’s one difference between here and WoW; in the latter, you could get different skins of the same mount. Generally the pvp ones had some form of armor on them vs. their more casually acquired alternatives (and I don’t mean that as a slight). There should be some sort of recolor or reskin version available for those not into pvp.