Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Stormfur]

(And this is coming from someone who has one of the rarest items in the game -- given out only to very specific contest winners -- the Gaelicap).

Do I want everyone to have a Gaelicap? I wouldn't mind one bit.

All it took from me was drawing an idea that got accepted by the dev team. It was very much a last-minute drawing and I put CONSIDERABLY more time into another idea which didn't win.

I don't need a digital item made of pixels to make me feel like a special snowflake in or out of the game. It's just a video game. No need to compare it to the Olympics/University degrees or anything else that actually requires a modicum of physical ability or mental prowess.

[Istaru]

A lot of stuff about skill.

I understood all that before too. The majority of people who place in the top ranks are skilled at what they do.

There are a few people that I am really referring to about the win rate statement. They are not low because they were learning. They are at that rate repeatedly, it is not that they are learning, they just do not win more than they lose. They are there because they grind it out. Grinding isn’t skill.

My point is simply, not everyone in the top 100 got there through skill. We will simply disagree about that fact and its ok.

We can agree on one thing though. I hope you can accept this and we can just stop here because regardless of anything else, this is really the only reason needed.

SE announced that the way to obtain those mounts was by placing a certain rank during those seasons of the Feast.

SE should not change that. Period. SE should honor it, and in my opinion, we should too.

Regardless of anything else, the people with the mount were there when SE said to be there and met the requirements in whatever way they met them.

I think a recolor/rework of some kind like they did with the goobbue is ok with me but releasing those exact mounts isn’t.

[Keridwyn]

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Please point out where I said that you shouldn't get a reward or prizes for being top 100.

Also, please see the PvP forums and multiple other PvPers in this thread pointing out to you that Wintraders are absolutely not getting banned and bots are absolutely an issue. Also go quickly take a browse of Youtube, Reddit, and Twitter. My 'lies' are pretty easily provable as truth and your anecdotal evidence is based on understandable passion to not be wrong.

When you start getting frustrated you start personally attacking people. We don't like it, please stop.

[Aviars]

Please point out where I said that you shouldn't get a reward or prizes for being top 100.

You keep repeating how the casual playerbase requested these mounts, it's obvious that you want these taken away as a unique top 100 reward.

Also, please see the PvP forums and multiple other PvPers in this thread pointing out to you that Wintraders are absolutely not getting banned and bots are absolutely an issue. Also go quickly take a browse of Youtube, Reddit, and Twitter. My 'lies' are pretty easily provable as truth and your anecdotal evidence is based on understandable passion to not be wrong.

Like I said, threads made in the pvp forums about wintrading have resulted in bans in both Solo Ranked and LP. It doesn't mean all of them are caught but win-traders are by far not rampant in the top 100 as many would like to claim. I also find it sad that you continue to cite win-trading as a reason to not have top 100 rewards. Should we remove ultimate and savage mounts and titles due to the fact that many people pay and cheat to clear them? I think the obvious answer is no. Stop trying to cite cheating as a reason to get rid of top 100 rewards.

When you start getting frustrated you start personally attacking people. We don't like it, please stop.

Where did I personally attack you? I think people say this due to the fact I make statements saying that people should have be good enough to get top 100 rewards by being top 100 and then they look at themselves and think they aren't that good and translate that to me saying that they are bad players somehow. It really isn't meant to be a personal attack, please stop trying to say this as a way to deflect.

Anyways due to the fact you failed to respond to my answer about competition, bots and your PVE player entitlement problem, I'll just assume you conceded the point, Thanks

I understood all that before too. The majority of people who place in the top ranks are skilled at what they do.

There are a few people that I am really referring to about the win rate statement. They are not low because they were learning. They are at that rate repeatedly, it is not that they are learning, they just do not win more than they lose. They are there because they grind it out. Grinding isn’t skill.

My point is simply, not everyone in the top 100 got there through skill. We will simply disagree about that fact and its ok.

Do you honestly have any experience in Feast or any proof that this is the case? You probably don't so it probably is best we stop talking about it because you obviously want it to be true whether it is or not. You honestly can't point out someone in the top 100 on the leader boards and then tell me someone who wasn't top 100 who was also playing deserves to be in that spot and not them.

[HyoMinPark]

Where did I personally attack you? I think people say this due to the fact I make statements saying that people should have be good enough to get top 100 rewards by being top 100 and then they look at themselves and think they aren't that good and translate that to me saying that they are bad players somehow. It really isn't meant to be a personal attack, please stop trying to say this as a way to deflect.

That’s not why people say you’re attacking them; they say it because you say things like “YOU don’t want to put in the skill and effort” and “YOU are insecure” and “YOU just don’t like how you can’t achieve the same feats as others”. When you start saying “you” to the person you’re responding to and combining it with baseless character assumptions, that is a personal attack. It’s not debating the actual argument being made, but the character behind the person making the argument.

[Aviars]

That’s not why people say you’re attacking them; they say it because you say things like “YOU don’t want to put in the skill and effort” and “YOU are insecure” and “YOU just don’t like how you can’t achieve the same feats as others”. When you start saying “you” to the person you’re responding to and combining it with baseless character assumptions, that is a personal attack. It’s not debating the actual argument being made, but the character behind the person making the argument.

When you make statements about your intentions of making it widely available you do open yourself up to other people telling you the real reason why you want a certain thing done with the game. The poster I was responding hasn't done this, so I haven't actually done anything close to pointing out whining. You did. And at that point if point out the fact people are whining about how top 100 rewards are too hard to get, what else is there to say? Whining does have a negative connotation and many people in this thread, many people including you are doing it.

Good example of whining. PVP has something top 100 exclusive and PVE doesn't, it shouldn't be that way!! PVE asked for that mount, why don't we get it! It's not fair only 100 people have a chance at this mount!! And many more examples exist.

Again, if pointing out the fact people are whining is a personal attack, well there isn't much I can do about that. It wasn't meant as a personal attack but a statement of fact, it isn't my fault people whine and then get called out for whining, then get subsequently insulted, thanks.

[Keridwyn]

Where did I personally attack you? I think people say this due to the fact I make statements saying that people should have be good enough to get top 100 rewards by being top 100 and then they look at themselves and think they aren't that good and translate that to me saying that they are bad players somehow. It really isn't meant to be a personal attack, please stop trying to say this as a way to deflect.

Where you told me to stop lying when right now there's a thread about a known botter being the top of a sever pvp chart. I also noticed you backed down about bots and focused on my points about win trading. It is still happening and it is still a problem. My point about that was that no, it's not just skill in the top 100.

I DO believe you should still get rewards. I DO advocate for the top 100 getting rewards. I DO NOT advocate them being timed exclusives. If anything they should at very least be in a prize pool that anyone who places in the correct bracket can choose from. Does that make more sense? You want a timed exclusive, make each season have an exclusive trophy and title. That proves who earned what when.

[HyoMinPark]

Again, if pointing out the fact people are whining is a personal attack, well there isn't much I can do about that. It wasn't meant as a personal attack but a statement of fact, it isn't my fault people whine and then get called out for whining, thanks.

Tell yourself whatever you need to if it helps you sleep at night, but when you sling mud, you’re slinging mud. There’s no way around that. You aren’t pointing out “whining” when you make condescending remarks (“I hope this makes sense to you” or “Unfortunately PvP has that effect on people and makes them feel like they aren’t good enough”) or baseless assumptions about a person’s character with comments like the multitude I already quoted from you in a previous post, and it certainly does not make people want to agree with you nor listen to you (nor do comments like “So-and-so hasn’t answered me yet, so I’ve obviously won!”—because that’s a mature thing to say; good for laughs though).

Considering you don’t know anything about people posting in this thread, you’re just assuming things without any proof—always remember what happens when you ass-u-me. Suggestions like Wolf Collars and Achievement grinding don’t speak of people’s character; they’re just suggestions. People can make suggestions that don’t reflect their actual wants, needs, or desires.

Statements of fact don’t include you putting words in people’s mouths, by the way. It’s not a fact that someone said something if they didn’t actually say it but you said they did. It’s just you putting words in their mouths; most people don’t take kindly to that, and again, it’s certainly not going to help you further your “cause” or any suggestions you make when you talk to people the way you talk to them.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have better places for my 20-posts-a-day than continuing in a circular argument with you. I’m sure you’ll think that you’ve “won” the debate, but there is no “debate” going on here; just a bunch of pointless back-and-forth.

Keep denying that a majority of this thread is whining about how the mount is readily available to everyone. Because that really is all you are doing.

Not wasting another post on this response but—

I see that I forgot to include that twisting words is also not a statement of fact.

I didn’t say that “the majority” weren’t whining in this thread; actually, I never said anything about denying that whining was going on. I said that you weren’t pointing out “whining” with your condescending remarks and baseless attacks against people that happen to disagree with you—all you’re doing at that point is arguing for the sake of arguing; you can’t point out “whining” for someone who isn’t actually whining. The remarks you have made don’t point out anything, really; they’re just plain old rudeness.

I also said that people can make suggestions without reflecting their wants, needs, or desires. I never said that everyone making suggestions was doing that.

I’d ask for a direct quote quoting where I said that no one was whining/the majority in this thread aren’t whining, but I’ll never get it. Just some condescending remark about how you’re going to tell me what I really said, or how I really feel.

[Istaru]

Do you honestly have any experience in Feast or any proof that this is the case? You probably don't so it probably is best we stop talking about it because you obviously want it to be true whether it is or not. You honestly can't point out someone in the top 100 on the leader boards and then tell me someone who wasn't top 100 who was also playing deserves to be in that spot and not them.

Do I have experience in the Feast? Yes.

Naming and shaming kinda stops me from posting that data and you know it.

I did not say that certain people don’t deserve to be top 100 stop putting words in my mouth. I only said that certain people are not as highly skilled as you keep saying.

It’s not that they were learning and improved when in every single season they do not show any improvement.

Prove to me that they were highly skilled.

Just to entertain you, I have asked people who have continued to be in top 100 in the Feast themselves about those people I referenced, and to a person they say they weren’t very good back then. If you know people on Aether who play and follow, ask them if all the people there in the top 100 from back then are all skilled, they will tell you there are some people who only got there by grinding. You aren’t on Aether so you don’t know. I may not bother anymore but I still follow what goes on since I have friends who still compete.

You turn everything that everyone says around and twist just do you can say you are right.

What is wrong with you??

I’m not even one of the people threatening your precious and you still have to chase me around barking like a rabid dog.

Just stop already!!

I’m done with you. I do not concede anything to you either.

I don’t concede to talking points to people who are incapable of reason or logic and you have shown yourself to be incapable of both.

I know you will still respond about why you’re right and I’m wrong and you know everything and I know nothing since you have to have the last word and leave the conversation feeling like you “won”.

Have a nice day. I’m done with you and your poor attitude.

[Aviars]

Where you told me to stop lying when right now there's a thread about a known botter being the top of a sever pvp chart. I also noticed you backed down about bots and focused on my points about win trading. It is still happening and it is still a problem. My point about that was that no, it's not just skill in the top 100.

I DO believe you should still get rewards. I DO advocate for the top 100 getting rewards. I DO NOT advocate them being timed exclusives. If anything they should at very least be in a prize pool that anyone who places in the correct bracket can choose from. Does that make more sense? You want a timed exclusive, make each season have an exclusive trophy and title. That proves who earned what when.

For one thing, we are talking about ranked feast. Bots are a problem in front lines yes. If you are referring to something other than ranked feast you are being very misleading which is it's own problem. Hope you can correct this.

Also to your last point, I already made this suggestion and discussed this. You are actually agreeing with me. It seems as though many people are fighting with me just because that seems to be popular.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have better places for my 20-posts-a-day than continuing in a circular argument with you. I’m sure you’ll think that you’ve “won” the debate, but there is no “debate” going on here; just a bunch of pointless back-and-forth.

Keep denying that a majority of this thread is whining about how the mount is readily available to everyone. Because that really is all you are doing.

I did not say that certain people don’t deserve to be top 100 stop putting words in my mouth. I only said that certain people are not as highly skilled as you keep saying.

This is basically saying one thing and then claiming the exact opposite. If certain people aren't skilled and are in the top 100, then doesn't that mean you think they don't deserve it? You are basically contradicting yourself in the most obvious way possible, I suggest you read your own comment again.

It’s not that they were learning and improved when in every single season they do not show any improvement.

Prove to me that they were highly skilled.

I personally say the fact they are in the top 100 proves a high level of skill compared to the rest of the player base participating. That is how PVP works generally, are you implying that many people get lucky more than others? There is no proof of that anywhere.

Just to entertain you, I have asked people who have continued to be in top 100 in the Feast themselves and to a person they say they weren’t very good back then. If you know people on Aether who play and follow, ask them if all the people there are skilled, they will tell you there are some people who only got there by grinding. You aren’t on Aether so you don’t know. I may not bother anymore but I still follow what goes on since I have friends who still compete.

I have a character named Ava Jinsoku on Balmung, you can check the leaderboards. I am aware of the players that play on Aether. Also grinding games can be considered practice, more grinding means more practice. It means they get a bit better and perform to a certain extent that gets them top 100. I'll also say that the people you "talked" to are probably being modest, and are comparing themselves to other players in the top 100, it's all subjective. I don't think you can post a players opinion about themselves and call that proof

You turn everything that everyone says around and twist just do you can say you are right.

How did I do that exactly?

What is wrong with you??

Now you really aren't being constructive at all. Please

I’m not even one of the people threatening your precious and you still have to chase me around barking like a rabid dog.

Just stop already!!

I am simply debating your response. You need to calm down.

I’m done with you. I do not concede anything to you either.

I don’t concede to talking points to people who are incapable of reason or logic and you have shown yourself to be incapable of both.

I know you will still respond about why you’re right and I’m wrong and you know everything and I know nothing since you have to have the last word and leave the conversation feeling like you “won”.

Have a nice day. I’m done with you and your poor attitude.

? Well bye. It seems obvious by your contradictions and your "signature" that you yourself have a very high opinion yourself and don't want to admit you were wrong in the forums. Have a nice day