Letter is up, go read it boys and girls

[DeadRiser]

I'm pretty sure the story missions we have done so far are going to be wiped after 2.0.

Why would this content be done only once if you can do it after 2.0? Only things they are keeping are the primal battles and a couple other things from what I've read. The Echo might still be there, but the missions won't.
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[Meow_Zedong]

I'm pretty sure the story missions we have done so far are going to be wiped after 2.0.

Why would this content be done only once if you can do it after 2.0? Only things they are keeping are the primal battles and a couple other things from what I've read. The Echo might still be there, but the missions won't.
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I'm sorry, but you've been provided with misinformation. The content we are talking about are the main storyline missions that you get from the Order of the Twelve and Ashcroft Consortium, etc. They never said we could only do it once, they said it will be available after 2.0 and they will build on it.

Think of it like a normal RPG from the PS1 era. The main storyline missions are like Disc 1. After 2.0 they will be adding Disc 2. They wouldn't try and sell you a copy of Final Fantasy VIII with the first disc missing! Of course we'll still be able to do the main storyline quests. Would you play a game of FFXI with all the expansion packs, but without the original content? (The Shadow Lord fight, etc.)

The Seventh Umbral Era quests (which include the Primal battles) WILL be getting erased. Have you fought Ifrit? The whole reason you fight him is because his actions are causing the destruction of the world. After 2.0 the destruction of the world HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, so you have no reason to fight him from a lore perspective.

When they announced "Exclusive story that will be gone after 2.0!" they were talking about the Primal Battles and the Grand Company quest-line. Just look at the 2.0 roadmap, it shows the "exclusive features" starting in patch 1.19. We all know the main story missions have been in the game since launch, not since 1.19 lol.

To bring this into my Final Fantasy VIII analogy: If the main storyline is Disc 1, and the story after 2.0 is Disc 2, the Seventh Umbral Era quests are kind of like the Chocobo's World mini-games. They are a part of the story, but it isn't the MAIN story, and they aren't available to everyone. (The Chocobo's World mini-games were only in the JP version of the game.)

Hope this helps explain some things.

[DeadRiser]

I'm sorry, but you've been provided with misinformation. The content we are talking about are the main storyline missions that you get from the Order of the Twelve and Ashcroft Consortium, etc. They never said we could only do it once, they said it will be available after 2.0 and they will build on it.

Think of it like a normal RPG from the PS1 era. The main storyline missions are like Disc 1. After 2.0 they will be adding Disc 2. They wouldn't try and sell you a copy of Final Fantasy VIII with the first disc missing! Of course we'll still be able to do the main storyline quests. Would you play a game of FFXI with all the expansion packs, but without the original content? (The Shadow Lord fight, etc.)

The Seventh Umbral Era quests (which include the Primal battles) WILL be getting erased. Have you fought Ifrit? The whole reason you fight him is because his actions are causing the destruction of the world. After 2.0 the destruction of the world HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, so you have no reason to fight him from a lore perspective.

When they announced "Exclusive story that will be gone after 2.0!" they were talking about the Primal Battles and the Grand Company quest-line. Just look at the 2.0 roadmap, it shows the "exclusive features" starting in patch 1.19. We all know the main story missions have been in the game since launch, not since 1.19 lol.

To bring this into my Final Fantasy VIII analogy: If the main storyline is Disc 1, and the story after 2.0 is Disc 2, the Seventh Umbral Era quests are kind of like the Chocobo's World mini-games. They are a part of the story, but it isn't the MAIN story, and they aren't available to everyone. (The Chocobo's World mini-games were only in the JP version of the game.)

Hope this helps explain some things.

Isn't the garlean empire a part of the whole reason with the Ifrit stuff? Please provide a link saying that it isn't and that it's not getting wiped.

[Meow_Zedong]

Isn't the garlean empire a part of the whole reason with the Ifrit stuff? Please provide a link saying that it isn't and that it's not getting wiped.

Yes, the reason Ifrit is sapping the world energy is because he wants gain more strength to fight the Garlean Empire. Why? Because the Garlean Empire is SUMMONING METEOR on top of him. That's just more proof that the Primal Battles will NOT be in 2.0.

The main story missions, on the other hand, have NOTHING to do with Meteor. They have to do with the general war between the Empire and the Primals, which was going on BEFORE all this talk about Meteor and all evidence suggests the war will STILL be going on after 2.0.

Please explain how the story will continue for new players if they erase those starting missions?

[Sephrick]

I'm sorry, but you've been provided with misinformation. The content we are talking about are the main storyline missions that you get from the Order of the Twelve and Ashcroft Consortium, etc. They never said we could only do it once, they said it will be available after 2.0 and they will build on it.

Think of it like a normal RPG from the PS1 era. The main storyline missions are like Disc 1. After 2.0 they will be adding Disc 2. They wouldn't try and sell you a copy of Final Fantasy VIII with the first disc missing! Of course we'll still be able to do the main storyline quests. Would you play a game of FFXI with all the expansion packs, but without the original content? (The Shadow Lord fight, etc.)

I still have yet to see where they said it will remain.

A lot of the main scenario is based on current geography. Given that the maps are going to be completely designed the maps, they'd have to redo the whole scenario. Otherwise it'll take place in locations that don't exist anymore. Plus, the new map concepts show the empire occupying land on the same map as the Immortal Flames. The entire current main scenario would be a "no shit" moment when it deals with the Empire as a looming threat.

I made a thread about this a while back and one of the localization team members responded to say the current scenario and all it entails will come back as the world reacts to more current events.


(Tread carefully, spoilers ahead)

Here's my guess at the story line and how it will lead up to the map redesign and 2.0: The main scenario establishes that the Empire is here and wiling to use all it's power to get what it wants. The Seventh Umbral Era events show the Enpire is getting more aggressive and the Aether is becoming unstable. They'll tie together in 1.22 and 1.23 with the Empire and Legatus battles where we'll end with a severe cliff hanger. To start 2.0, the Empire will have caused the Aether to go completely unstable resulting in the drastic changes in the land with which we are so familiar.

I suggest anyone who thinks the main scenario and the Seventh Umbral Era events are separate to go back and read the full dialog for the quest Ceruleum Shock. It ties the two together. Where the main scenario ends with us seeing first hand that the Empire has taken a significant interest in Mor Dhona, the SUE events are explaining that there is more to it than just the dragon and the ship.

That's why it'd be silly to have the current main scenario in 2.0, it's part of SUE even if not originally intended that way.

[Rubicon]

Seems like people will cry about everything in these forums, after reading a comment in the Zelda forums how this guy would not buy the game cause link is right handed made me facepalm and realize that most ppl on the net = fail.

Link is left handed, end of story.

[Meow_Zedong]

I still have yet to see where they said it will remain.

A lot of the main scenario is based on current geography. Given that the maps are going to be completely designed the maps, they'd have to redo the whole scenario. Otherwise it'll take place in locations that don't exist anymore. Plus, the new map concepts show the empire occupying land on the same map as the Immortal Flames. The entire current main scenario would be a "no shit" moment when it deals with the Empire as a looming threat.

I made a thread about this a while back and one of the localization team members responded to say the current scenario and all it entails will come back as the world reacts to more current events.


(Tread carefully, spoilers ahead)

Here's my guess at the story line and how it will lead up to the map redesign and 2.0: The main scenario establishes that the Empire is here and wiling to use all it's power to get what it wants. The Seventh Umbral Era events show the Enpire is getting more aggressive and the Aether is becoming unstable. They'll tie together in 1.22 and 1.23 with the Empire and Legatus battles where we'll end with a severe cliff hanger. To start 2.0, the Empire will have caused the Aether to go completely unstable resulting in the drastic changes in the land with which we are so familiar.

I suggest anyone who thinks the main scenario and the Seventh Umbral Era events are separate to go back and read the full dialog for the quest Ceruleum Shock. It ties the two together. Where the main scenario ends with us seeing first hand that the Empire has taken a significant interest in Mor Dhona, the SUE events are explaining that there is more to it than just the dragon and the ship.

That's why it'd be silly to have the current main scenario in 2.0, it's part of SUE even if not originally intended that way.

Well I have no proof of this because I don't spend time searching for interviews that I've read previously, but they've stated the cutscenes are being redone anyway. They have to be do jive with the new engine. So of course they could easily change the backgrounds to fit the new geography. They've also talked about adding more voice overs in certain areas.

My point is, that the STORY of these original missions, are not being taken out of the game. They'll probably re-do the cutscenes, but the missions will still be there. Because it has to be.

A new player can't just start a game up, click on the first mission, and then be treated with Nael van Baalsar saying "So we meet again!" It doesn't make sense.

[Sephrick]

Well I have no proof of this because I don't spend time searching for interviews that I've read previously, but they've stated the cutscenes are being redone anyway. They have to be do jive with the new engine. So of course they could easily change the backgrounds to fit the new geography. They've also talked about adding more voice overs in certain areas.

My point is, that the STORY of these original missions, are not being taken out of the game. They'll probably re-do the cutscenes, but the missions will still be there. Because it has to be.F

A new player can't just start a game up, click on the first mission, and then be treated with Nael van Baalsar saying "So we meet again!" It doesn't make sense.

I think this has just been a matter of miscommunication.

No one is trying to say the story will be wiped away, only the quests. After 2.0, players still will be able to learn about the 1.x events as the new main scenario will be the aftermath but the quests themselves will be gone.

[Meow_Zedong]

Nope, I still kind of disagree. The quests will be changed, of that there is no doubt. But I still believe the quests will be there.

The meteor stuff is largely inconsequintial, and can be told as a "this happened before you started playing" kind of thing by an npc.

The main storyline is just too integral to what will happen to not let new players experience it. How would you feel if you popped in Final Fantasy VII and they just summarized all the events of the first disk and told you to go from there? You would never have even met Aerith!

[Sephrick]

Nope, I still kind of disagree. The quests will be changed, of that there is no doubt. But I still believe the quests will be there.

The meteor stuff is largely inconsequintial, and can be told as a "this happened before you started playing" kind of thing by an npc.

The main storyline is just too integral to what will happen to not let new players experience it. How would you feel if you popped in Final Fantasy VII and they just summarized all the events of the first disk and told you to go from there? You would never have even met Aerith!

There are too many reasons to get rid of them. Chief among them, aside from story continuity purposes, is that Yoshida wants to break away from the old design of any class doing the missions and make it for battle only.

It'd be awkward to have several missions, an NPC summary of a year's worth of updates for the SUE events, then the 2.0 quests.

The main scenario is part of the SUE events. There's no reason for them to exist in 2.0 if the whole purpose of 1.x is to be a one time experience. There always is back story, and that's the what we're seeing now.

Think of it more like XI. What we're experiencing now is comparable to the events leading up to the Battle of Tavnazia we see in the opening cinematic. So when 2.0 drops, everything in the current main scenario will just be the back story to the 2.0 main scenario. Current players will have experienced it first had while new players will have the story filled in as things move forward, just like we all did in XI after starting our adventure having seen Tavnazia destroyed.