No double jobs in savage

[KaivaC]

“No doubles” has always been a thing in Savage, which is what the OP is talking about. It has nothing to do with Byakko Ex’s Tank LB3 strat, and everything to do with LB build-up and trying to keep the fighting for gear at a minimum. Some PUGs don’t care about the doubles, but there are several out there that have the slots locked so that there will be no doubling up on jobs. It’s better to have the variety anyways.

I have to echo this. Granted, I started hitting Savage for the 1st time when Deltascape dropped, but I've always seen more parties that said no double jobs. Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing - that LB3 comes faster and, as mentioned above, avoids some loot problems. I don't mind 'no doubles'

[EorzeaHero69]

Yea, if you have two or more of the same jobs in your party (i.e, two paladins, two whms, four loldragoons), lb fills slower.

[FoxyAreku]

No double jobs has always been the optimal and preferred way to do things, just not a lot of people care about optimal unless the strategy depends on it.

[Dzian]

No double jobs has always been the optimal and preferred way to do things, just not a lot of people care about optimal unless the strategy depends on it.

Optimal and preffered way of doing things is fine.

But players shouldn't be punished for doubling jobs if 2 of your group of friends both want to go Dragoon or monk or whatever. Might not be optimal but should be viable without lb penalties and such.

Especially in savage where one of the arguments people don't do it is because finding 7 friends to go with is hard... even harder if you finally havev8 friends who want to go but 2 of them can't come because you already got that job...

around the time of Midas for example my fc actually had 8 -10 people that wanted to try it. But it never happened because there was 4 of us mained paladin as a tank class and can't really take 2 of them. So 1 of us would have to play a tank we didn't like... our dps was all nins drags and blackmages so at least one of those would have been doubled up unless someone changed to a dps they didn't like. The only thing we'd have been ok with was healers. So in the end it never happened.

I know a few other groups that have similar experiences and all it does is push players away from participating at all

[Dualgunner]

Dzian, if you wanted to go run Savage with two PLDs, NIN DRG BLM BLM, you could have. LB penalty honestly would have been the least of the inefficiencies you should worry about when considering a comp like that though.

[Dzian]

Dzian, if you wanted to go run Savage with two PLDs, NIN DRG BLM BLM, you could have. LB penalty honestly would have been the least of the inefficiencies you should worry about when considering a comp like that though.

Think your missing the point a bit.
Yoshi himself says Any composition should be equally viable..and play what you want

That non optimal setup might already be losing a ton of potential dps. It shouldn't be smacked with a reduced lb gauge as well.

[MoroMurasaki]

Think your missing the point a bit.
Yoshi himself says Any composition should be equally viable..

Whether or not a reduced lb gauge would be the least of inefficiencies or not it shouldn't be reduced at all.

If there was no LB penalty how would you avoid groups just going double AST almost universally once out of progression?

[Fynlar]

Honestly, LBs (damaging ones, at least) have generally meant (proportionally) less and less as the game goes on, IMO. Nowadays it isn't unusual to see a melee LB3 only take off a piddly 1% off a boss, when I definitely don't remember it being like that back in 2.x.

I feel like LBs haven't scaled up as well as the rest of our power has. Maybe it's just me, though.

I dunno, having double jobs in a raid group has pretty much never been a thing, even in PF. Been raiding since 2.0. Sure, you can do it, but why need to. Back in Gordias they actually implemented an even stricter LB penalty for say if you had 3 melee or 3 casters which they ended up reverting out again in the same tier. I dunno if they ever put that back in.

Prog groups might have been avoiding it, but for the stuff you could do in PF at least, I'd never seen anyone saying "no dupes" until 4.2. Now I pretty much can't open the PF without seeing those words somewhere.

Granted, the vast majority of the time I see it, it's just on Byakko EX.

I mean, Ultima needed a tank LB back in 2.0.... these strats aren't exactly a new thing. This + the LB penalty kinda hints that SE doesn't intend for groups to be made up of multiples of the same job.

It never needed a tank LB3 specifically though. I'd gotten through that fight quickly enough with some groups to not have LB3 ready (even with no dupes), but generally speaking, for the groups strong enough to push that quickly, LB2 usually sufficed anyway.

I had never, ever seen groups for Ultima EX asking for no dupes. I actually specifically remember having a lot of dupe groups for that fight.

[Dualgunner]

Think your missing the point a bit.
Yoshi himself says Any composition should be equally viable..and play what you want

That non optimal setup might already be losing a ton of potential dps. It shouldn't be smacked with a reduced lb gauge as well.

I'd actually have to say you missed the point. Some suboptimal groups are only suboptimal because of the reduced LB. Go in with 3 Black Mages and a Samurai, no LB penalty, and you could really clean up shop quickly. I recall before the penalty was put on, people stacked Bard because they could milk the most dps out of their party comp like that.

You *can* clear Savage, btw, with two paladins, two black mages, and a NIN/DRG. So it's still viable. You can still play what you like.

[Gleipni]

yes and no,in static sur you never have double class,but weekly clear wit random,its not that unusual to do it,cause weekly withr andom are hell,so people just want the clear and hope to have the biggest roll.