No double jobs in savage

[Frizze]

It is now rampant the use in party finder of don't take any double job for latest savages.

I was told it is because this way the LB fills faster, is that true or just some spreading internet hoax?

I was in one party that tried to do Byakko with a duplicated DPS class. Consistently made it to the 2nd tiger, made about 3 or 4 attempts before giving up. Each time when we got to the point where you fire off the tank LB 3 we had between 2.25 and 2.5 bars charged, without a dupe you get to 3 with plenty of time to spare. Group tried to do the 2nd tiger normally once or twice, but that group didnt manage a clear(too many mistakes as the fight went on, DPS too low to pass enrage).

[Coatl]

Party Finders are using the no dupes strats as a crutch to make up for players that can't bring as much DPS to the table as they should. I don't really think it's healthy to reinforce this behavior as most of savage is easy enough now to do without relying on LB so much, but I understand why some PF leaders are paranoid and think they'll need it.

[Dzian]

I dunno, having double jobs in a raid group has pretty much never been a thing, even in PF. Been raiding since 2.0. Sure, you can do it, but why need to. Back in Gordias they actually implemented an even stricter LB penalty for say if you had 3 melee or 3 casters which they ended up reverting out again in the same tier. I dunno if they ever put that back in.

Personally, I think its good etiquette and practice to learn the different classes in your job group considering in FF you can play everything on one character.

Maybe not in statics but in pugs it's been quite frequent in my experience.

Back in ARR frequently had double jobs in coil party finders. At one point did t12 with 2 schs 2 brds and 2 warriors without issues.

Frequently saw double jobs in heavensward ex primals and Susan and lakshmi ex.

I've said it before but with the game proclaiming you can play whatever you want. They should scrap the duplicate jobs penalty entirely.
All it does it exclude people. If 2 of of my friends both want to be monk they should be allowed without screwing the party over.

[Galactimus]

They should scrap the duplicate jobs penalty entirely.
All it does it exclude people.

You do realize scrapping the jobs penalty would exclude FAR more people. Once the meta is established (6 BLM or 7 Tanks and 1 Healer?) all the other classes will be banned from Progression parties. Not sure how having nothing but PLD's and WAR's would be more inclusive.

[AxlStream]

Party Finders are using the no dupes strats as a crutch to make up for players that can't bring as much DPS to the table as they should. I don't really think it's healthy to reinforce this behavior as most of savage is easy enough now to do without relying on LB so much, but I understand why some PF leaders are paranoid and think they'll need it.

It's not a crutch, it's the sensible thing to do. Especially when pugging where the quality of players is less than desirable.

[killstein]

It's not a crutch, it's the sensible thing to do. Especially when pugging where the quality of players is less than desirable.

basically this. pugging savage is a grab bag and you literally never know what you'll get.

[Dzian]

You do realize scrapping the jobs penalty would exclude FAR more people. Once the meta is established (6 BLM or 7 Tanks and 1 Healer?) all the other classes will be banned from Progression parties. Not sure how having nothing but PLD's and WAR's would be more inclusive.

If 7 tanks and a healer could clear content then there's a serious design flaw on the dps checks.

And if raiders started going 6blm then again there's a balance problem. But honestly raiders still wouldn't stack jobs because of the loot system..

[Miste]

And if raiders started going 6blm then again there's a balance problem.

There will always be a balance problem since 100% balance is pretty much impossible without homogenizing all jobs to be carbon copies of each other minus maybe animation styles and effects.

Not stacking same jobs means groups take a wider variety of players and jobs into their groups. This is a good thing.

[BluexBird]

I don't think removing the LB bar penalty would make people start wanting nothing but the heaviest-hitting DPS job currently available in their parties. That is incredibly dumb. Like, if it really did make that much of a difference, people wouldn't be giving two shits about Limit Break, and would just be doing it anyway. Limit Break does like what, 1-2% of the boss' HP? I'm pretty sure the difference between a good DPS player and a bad one can cover that gap.

But guess what? They don't care. Or they do, and think Limit Breaks are absolutely essential to clearing fights. They aren't, save for a couple of exceptions where Limit Breaks are part of the fight (A12S).

The main problem I have with this though is that it's hard enough to fill up parties as it is. Nobody uses Raid Finder. You gotta set up a party in PF and wait. And then on top of that it has to be 1 of each unique class. People don't even like taking 4 casters or 4 melee, when technically in the end it doesn't even matter - you're still able to clear. Sure, you won't end up with the optimal parse, and loot competition will be screwed, but when all you wanna do is prog or practice, it shouldn't matter.

[HyoMinPark]

It's true, but you can pretty much thank Byakko EX for the "rampantness" of this in 4.2. If it weren't for the fact that the way everyone does the fight hinges on a tank LB3 that will only be available when it's needed if you have no duplicate jobs in the party, far fewer people would be bothering to mention it.

“No doubles” has always been a thing in Savage, which is what the OP is talking about. It has nothing to do with Byakko Ex’s Tank LB3 strat, and everything to do with LB build-up and trying to keep the fighting for gear at a minimum. Some PUGs don’t care about the doubles, but there are several out there that have the slots locked so that there will be no doubling up on jobs. It’s better to have the variety anyways.