Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Coatl]

Rip PvP. Can they really not think of any way to make PvP more popular besides throwing mounts at it? At this point just adding clusters as a reward would make it more enticing.

Funny, why are you equating PVE with PVP then? They are two separate and entirely different things after all with their own set of currency, progression and rewards!

PvP and PvE being exclusive to each other is just hurting PvP. Add in more tangible, reachable rewards and I guarantee you PvP will be more lively again. Think back to the launch of stormblood and how active PvP was due to how much exp you could get from participating. The only time PvP was hot and lively was when they added something it tie to the base game.

[Aviars]

Because only one offers wholly exclusive mounts whereas the other allows people to farm them a year later with little effort. PvP is still apart of FFXIV. I am not equating it to PvE in terms of gameplay but on their respective reward structure. In fact, let's look at Lord of Verminion. Despite being a PvP inspired attraction the minion rewards aren't exclusive. Two years later and I can still go and obtain them, though good luck finding enough people to play it. These exclusive mounts aim to hopefully bribe people to play Feast. If they truly aimed to offer rewards based on your skill, they would have Top 100 Trophies, titles and/or an in-game Leadership board that highlights your name and the season you reached top 100 in.

Put simply, if even Ultimate doesn't get a mount or minion. Why should Feast?

As far as I am aware, Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed. So you won't see people steamrolling through said content ;]

Also with you claiming false equivalence based on the fact that 2.0 and beyond is is a different version of the same game, I can claim you are wrongly comparing PVP and PVE in the same category. They aren't the same, so why should you be allowed to make comparisons but we aren't? More like you don't really have a good counterpoint and resort to dismissive gestures than try and articulate yourself.

Also what makes mounts somehow not a reward for talent and skill while a trophy is? They both serve the same purpose in rewarding people for their skill and effort. There is no difference, somehow you think there is.

To your last point, Ranked Feast does not offer weapons to the top 100 while Ultimate does. Why does ultimate get a weapon and not top 100 in Feast??? As you can see I can do the exact same thing back to you lol.

PvP and PvE being exclusive to each other is just hurting PvP. Add in more tangible, reachable rewards and I guarantee you PvP will be more lively again. Think back to the launch of stormblood and how active PvP was due to how much exp you could get from participating. The only time PvP was hot and lively was when they added something it tie to the base game.

I do agree there needs to be more incentive to play PVP. However people seem to think that means making top 100 rewards for everyone. I don't believe in that. I believe there should still be exclusive top 100 rewards while making base rewards better and more numerous.

[Vahlnir]

As far as I am aware, Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed. So you won't see people steamrolling through said content ;]

Not now, anyway. I think it'll more than likely be doable with an Undersized group when the next expansion launches, or soon after. That's just the way they do things. If we have the same amount of stat gains like we did from HW to SB...it may still prove to be fairly difficult. We aren't massively OP like we were whenever we went from ARR to HW. Sort of expecting it to work out the same way with whatever the next one happens to be.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

As far as I am aware, Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed. So you won't see people steamrolling through said content ;]

And yet you only receive a title not a mount. Per my preceding post, the devs specifically mentioned it being unfair to have a mount or minion the overwhelming majority of players wouldn't be able to obtain. So... really, you're only proving my point.

Also with you claiming false equivalence based on the fact that 2.0 and beyond is is a different version of the same game, I can claim you are wrongly comparing PVP and PVE in the same category. They aren't the same, so why should you be allowed to make comparisons but we aren't? More like you don't really have a good counterpoint and resort to dismissive gestures than try and articulate yourself.

No, you cannot. PvP is still apart of FFXIV: A Realm Reborn. Until 4.0, it even used the exact same abilities. You're essentially trying to liken PvP to an entirely different game, which just outright silly. You keep insisting I am directly comparing gameplay but I have repeated pointed to their respective reward structures. I even provided a PvP example with LoV—something you blatantly ignored. Sounds as though you're the one unable to articulate a proper counterpart.

Also what makes mounts somehow not a reward for talent and skill while a trophy is? They both serve the same purpose in rewarding people for their skill and effort. There is no difference, somehow you think there is.

To your last point, Ranked Feast does not offer weapons to the top 100 while Ultimate does. Why does ultimate get a weapon and not top 100 in Feast??? As you can see I can do the exact same thing back to you lol.

For the same reason you insist PvP should be viewed separately. By that logic, why have rewards that primarily cater to PvE centric players (mounts) in lieu of a unique reward for Feast? After all, you keep claiming they should be separated yet the mounts being awarded were lifted from PvE content; Hellhound from Void Ark and this current one the second boss of Ala Mhigo. You know, the last dungeon in Stormblood's main story.

You can... and fail spectacularly at doing it. You literally just defeated your own argument. Ultimate weapons aren't exclusive, which is the whole point. I can get them whenever I fancy, provided I have the skill to beat Ultimate. This comparison only works if those weapons must be obtained before 4.2 or become lost forever.

Swing and a miss~

[HyoMinPark]

And I should also ask why should the 1.0 gobbue and 1.0 chocobo be exclusive? It isn't fair?!

This is a strawman. The Legacy Chocobo and 1.0 Goobbue come from an entirely different game; FFXIV 1.0 is entirely separate from the FFXIV we all play now. It would make sense for them to be unobtainable. I just disagree with the idea of exclusivity or time-limited items in general—this applies to in-game items such as Feast mounts and outside merchandise like minions from OSTs that are no longer obtainable. There’s just no point in that sort of exclusivity, in my opinion.

Savage mounts and Ultimate weapons/titles can be achieved well past their period of relevancy; why can’t older Feast mounts be made available through other means after their relevant expansions?

Example: with the HW Feast Hellhounds. Why not make them available somehow now in SB through PvP? Maybe via Feast match achievements, like the Gloria mount, but increase it to 300 wins for one, 500 for another, 750 for the third one, and 1,000 for the fourth one (just to use some numerical examples here)? With this...Hojo-wanna Chair mount thing...why not make it available via some other PvP-related means once 5.0 is released? It at least gives people something to do PvP for if they want the item and are unable to achieve Top 100 during the relevant Season.

That’s just my thoughts on it, anyways.

[Aviars]

And yet you only receive a title not a mount. Per my preceding post, the devs specifically mentioned it being unfair to have a mount or minion the overwhelming majority of players wouldn't be able to obtain. So... really, you're only proving my point.

And you receive a weapon, you don't seem to know your own content ;]

No, you cannot. PvP is still apart of FFXIV: A Realm Reborn. Until 4.0, it even used the exact same abilities. You're essentially trying to liken PvP to an entirely different game, which just outright silly. You keep insisting I am directly comparing gameplay but I have repeated pointed to their respective reward structures. I even provided a PvP example with LoV—something you blatantly ignored. Sounds as though you're the one unable to articulate a proper counterpart.

Yes I can, PVP had it's own unique abilities and it's own set of balance, a good example is repose and sleep being relevant spells while PVE continues to not use them. LoV has minion rewards that aren't exclusive, just as the rank feast also has it's own rewards that are not exclusive that are, wow minions. Hmm, I more or less skipped that because because your comparison is self defeating, why would I need to say anything about it?

For the same reason you insist PvP should be viewed separately. By that logic, why have rewards that primarily cater to PvE centric players (mounts) in lieu of a unique reward for Feast? After all, you keep claiming they should be separated yet the mounts being awarded were lifted from PvE content; Hellhound from Void Ark and this current one the second boss of Ala Mhigo. You know, the last dungeon in Stormblood's main story.

Wanna tell me what content in PVE relies on a mount? If anything mounts in frontlines are more important than mounts in PVE. And you can't even use mounts inside dungeons or raids. Mounts are as PVE centric as gathering is PVP centric. Don't act as if the world centers all around you. Also SE used hellhounds for PVP content because they a re thematically close to the Wolve's Den, which is, surprise, the main PVP hub.

I should also add that the republic gear, tied to pre-industrial garleans, was probably the reason they added a garlean style mount as a reward. You may not like it, but PVP has more of a reason to use the mount when Stormblood content will most definately be centered around ala mhigo and duma. So don't act like PVP has no reason to have these rewards champ.

You can... and fail spectacularly at doing it. You literally just defeated your own argument. Ultimate weapons aren't exclusive, which is the whole point. I can get them whenever I fancy, provided I have the skill to beat Ultimate. This comparison only works if those weapons must be obtained before 4.2 or become lost forever.

They are exclusive to the people that complete the content in the specifications required. No one can currently meet the specifications for older hellhound mounts or armor based on the fact they were meant for the top 100 of those seasons. So no I didn't defeat my own argument, you just can't understand the argument in the first place.

Swing and a miss~

Ya, you can keep missing as per usual, thanks ;]

[Aviars]

This is a strawman. The Legacy Chocobo and 1.0 Goobbue come from an entirely different game; FFXIV 1.0 is entirely separate from the FFXIV we all play now. It would make sense for them to be unobtainable. I just disagree with the idea of exclusivity or time-limited items in general—this applies to in-game items such as Feast mounts and outside merchandise like minions from OSTs that are no longer obtainable. There’s just no point in that sort of exclusivity, in my opinion.

TBH, you just don't like how you aren't able to achieve the same feats as others. Sadly PVP makes people feel this way as it does force people to compete against one another and show whether or not they are better or worse. And that is scary for most people I realize. I know for a fact it isn't really the time exclusivity rather it's the fact that top 100 in unobtainable for most

Savage mounts and Ultimate weapons/titles can be achieved well past their period of relevancy; why can’t older Feast mounts be made available through other means after their relevant expansions?

Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed and as far as we know they aren't about to let people steamroll it easily as the next expansions come out.

Example: with the HW Feast Hellhounds. Why not make them available somehow now in SB through PvP? Maybe via Feast match achievements, like the Gloria mount, but increase it to 300 wins for one, 500 for another, 750 for the third one, and 1,000 for the fourth one (just to use some numerical examples here)? With this...Hojo-wanna Chair mount thing...why not make it available via some other PvP-related means once 5.0 is released? It at least gives people something to do PvP for if they want the item and are unable to achieve Top 100 during the relevant Season.

You see, this actually proves to me you don't really care about time exclusivity. It's more like you are afraid you can't get top 100 and it scares you. So why not make the items available in the easiest way possible through a grindy achievement?

I would actually find it reasonable ( even though I disagree) if top 100 players can use a voucher for a top 100 prize of their choice from past seasons if they don't want the current seasons top 100 reward, but you really do just make the items purpose irrelevant by making it really easy to obtain.

Just stop please, I'm so tired of people that just want everything the easy way.

[HyoMinPark]

TBH, you just don't like how you aren't able to achieve the same feats as others. Sadly PVP makes people feel this way as it does force people to compete against one another and show whether or not they are better or worse. And that is scary for most people I realize. I know for a fact it isn't really the time exclusivity rather it's the fact that top 100 in unobtainable for most

LOL, what? I don’t care about PvP at all in this game; I don’t even care about the Hellhounds, nor this mount. But I know of people that do, and I just think the exclusivity is stupid. These mounts were highly requested by the general playerbase, and the developers tossed them in the Feast (extremely niche content) to try and incentivize people do to the Feast, which isn’t really working considering it’s limited to Top 100 per Data Center anyways. The Centurio Tiger is locked behind the most obscenely ridiculous achievements in this game, and it’s far more effective in getting people to participate in Hunts than the Hellhounds or Hojo-Wannabe Chair (at least on my server, the Hunt community is far more active than it was in the past). Because even if it takes you 3 years to get the Tiger, you can still obtain it later. You can’t do that with these mounts.

Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed and as far as we know they aren't about to let people steamroll it easily as the next expansions come out.

I doubt the developers will keep the level 70 / i340 sync once 5.0 is released. Even if they do, though, you can still obtain the weapon and the title far after its period of relevancy. The point people are trying to make with you is that these aren’t obtainable later via other means, and such exclusivity is ridiculous since they don’t apply it to any other aspect in this game.

You see, this actually proves to me you don't really care about time exclusivity. It's more like you are afraid you can't get top 100 and it scares you. So why not make the items available in the easiest way possible through a grindy achievement? I would actually find it reasonable ( even though I disagree) if top 100 players can use a voucher for a top 100 prize of their choice from past seasons if they don't want the current seasons top 100 reward, but you really do just make the items purpose irrelevant by making it really easy to obtain.

Just stop please, I'm so tired of people that just want everything the easy way.

I feel like I have to repeat: I don’t care about PvP in this game; never have, and it has zero to do with the mounts and more the fact that I don’t care for the content in general.

I just don’t see the need for exclusivity, especially for a mount that people requested multiple times (e.g., the Hellhound mount), and was thrown into a niche piece of content AND made ridiculously exclusive on four separate occasions, killing chances of more casual PvPers (or even people that have no interest in PvP but would try for it in the event that they wanted to try and get the mount) wanting to even shoot for it.

Exclusivity is overrated.

Even with locking older PvP mounts behind “grindy achievements” an entire expansion later (thereby giving those Top 100 time to “enjoy” their “exclusivity”), said achievements would still require you to actually put forth enough effort to win the matches. The mount behind the grindiest achievement in this game is, again, more effective at drawing people into doing its relevant content than PvP is with it’s mounts. And that’s all these mounts are: a thinly veiled incentive to try and draw people into PvP, but having them unobtainable unless you are the “best of the best” (or win-trade your way to the top) turns a lot of people off.

But, please. Feel free to tell me more about how I feel. Since you are so knowledgable about it all.

I'm so tired of people that just want everything the easy way.

You obviously aren’t familiar with my posts on here if you think I’m an advocate of obtaining items via little to no effort.

[Awha]

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Do you enjoy PvP in this game? What do you pvp for: the enjoyment or the reward? While I am not a major fan of PvP in FFXIV, I do know what it is like grinding for top 3 in a dying game where ELO does not exist forcing you to deal with win traders, carries, throwers, leavers, and every day mouth breathers. Thing is if I did not enjoy the PvP in tor I never would have done it, the rewards are nice but let us not fool ourselves into thinking that the rewards in place were nothing more then a carrot. That is what I do not get you are placing so much importance on a carrot. Even if they offer that top 100 mount as a cash shop item in the future does it really detract from the one you earned? You know what you went through to get that placing. The experience you gained by putting in those hours will always remain and nothing can ever detract from that.

Now if you tell me that the sole reason you took part in PvP was to get the rewards and not because you enjoyed seeing how high to you can climb or how well you fare verse other skilled players so be it I will leave it at that. I get having a unique item and title is nice, but even if the item itself was no longer unique your personal experience will be. Either way I have no dog in this race I do not want the mount, but coming from a player in two games that has rare and unique items I honestly do not see why it matters if one person or one million players have the item. Clearly this is a hot topic with you and that goes to show how much value you place on the reward itself and not the activity. Take it in stride if it happens it happens but getting bent out of shape over it seems like a fruitless endeavor.

If other want access to the item do not let that detract from the value of the item, only you have that power. I get my position comes from an emotional place, I just have seen many pvpers quit simply because the rewards did not match their personal expectations which is a shame since when they were rewards they wanted they enjoyed the mode a great deal. Yet when that enjoyment is tied to reward when you do not have a carrot to chase it is not that fun, so do not let the enjoyment be tied to a reward and simply PvP for the fun of it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yes I can, PVP had it's own unique abilities and it's own set of balance, a good example is repose and sleep being relevant spells while PVE continues to not use them. LoV has minion rewards that aren't exclusive, just as the rank feast also has it's own rewards that are not exclusive that are, wow minions. Hmm, I more or less skipped that because because your comparison is self defeating, why would I need to say anything about it?

Unique abilities does not make it comparable to a separate game. I never denied Feast has rewards not exclusive. If you bothered to read my actual posts, you'd have noticed. I'll reiterate, Feast is the only content in FFXIV that has exclusive content that can only ever be obtained at one time. Just because you couldn't refute the LoV argument doesn't make it self-defeating, hun.

Wanna tell me what content in PVE relies on a mount? If anything mounts in frontlines are more important than mounts in PVE. And you can't even use mounts inside dungeons or raids. Mounts are as PVE centric as gathering is PVP centric. Don't act as if the world centers all around you. Also SE used hellhounds for PVP content because they a re thematically close to the Wolve's Den, which is, surprise, the main PVP hub.

I never said content relied on them. You're erected strawmens now. What I said is they have been a ubiquitous reward for PvE yet never made exclusive whereas twice now they have been in PvP.

I should also add that the republic gear, tied to pre-industrial garleans, was probably the reason they added a garlean style mount as a reward. You may not like it, but PVP has more of a reason to use the mount when Stormblood content will most definately be centered around ala mhigo and duma. So don't act like PVP has no reason to have these rewards champ.

You keep putting words in my mouth and trying to sound smug. It's cute. I never said there isn't a reason to have PvP rewards. I said they shouldn't be exclusive because no other content in the game operates this way. As for your subjective stance. You keep prattling on about how PvP should be viewed separately from PvE. So why create mounts out of mini bosses from PvP content? It's far more likely they chose those mounts due to people's repeated requests. Putting them in Feasts may get people to play the mode.

They are exclusive to the people that complete the content in the specifications required. No one can currently meet the specifications for older hellhound mounts or armor based on the fact they were meant for the top 100 of those seasons. So no I didn't defeat my own argument, you just can't understand the argument in the first place.

... either you are being willfully obtuse or are just completely daft. By your own admission above, this makes Feast mount rewards exclusive whereas Ultimate rewards aren't. That is the whole argument. Nothing from Ultimate is exclusive because the requirements never change. Even if left gated by ilvl, you can go back in 5.0 and still obtain everything. Hellhounds can never be obtained again unless they are brought back. This inherently makes Feast have exclusive content whereas nothing else in the game does.