Corps-a-Corps

[HyoMinPark]

Red Mage is a horribly broken class and seriously OP...

What RDM are you playing? Because RDM is the one of the weakest DPS at most percentiles for most fights this tier (and last tier).

Taking samples from the past 2 weeks from V6S, since Chadarnook is this tier’s Striking Dummy (Savage):
50th percentile: RDM is lowest DPS, almost 20 DPS below BRD
75th percentile: RDM is lowest DPS, almost 100 DPS below BRD.
80th percentile: RDM is lowest DPS, almost 150 DPS below BRD.
90th percentile: RDM is lowest DPS, almost 175 DPS below BRD.
95th percentile: RDM is lowest DPS, little over 200 DPS below BRD.
99th percentile: RDM is lowest DPS, below NIN by ~200 DPS, who is below BRD.

For 75th percentile for all the other fights:
Phantom Train: RDM is second lowest, above BRD by 60 DPS.
Guardian: RDM is third lowest, above DRG and NIN, but below BRD
Kefka: RDM is fourth lowest, barely above MCH, NIN, and BRD.
God Kefka: RDM is second lowest, above NIN, but below DRG, who is below BRD.

[JohnnyDevo]

What I want to know is how far away you guys are that you apparently need CaC to close the distance after a dualcast. You have, roughly, 3.1 ish seconds including your slidecast to close the distance. If you can't walk to melee range in that time, it means you were also possibly out of heal range.

In any case, you shouldn't normally be that far in the first place. Mechanics allowing, you want to be in melee range to squeeze out those extra autos. In addition, CaC and displacement are not primarily for mobility because they have damage attached. You should be using them on cooldown, almost regardless of where you are in your melee rotation. In fact I almost wish displacement had a longer cooldown, because it often lines up that it comes off cooldown right when I want to melee.

[Dualgunner]

What I want to know is how far away you guys are that you apparently need CaC to close the distance after a dualcast. You have, roughly, 3.1 ish seconds including your slidecast to close the distance. If you can't walk to melee range in that time, it means you were also possibly out of heal range.

True enough, but there are some cases in Savage where CaC and Displace are valuable for movement:
-Getting back in range after head on
-Juking ghosts
-Moving about the arena in 6s without having to manually move (more casting time)
-Getting out for atomic ray in 7s
-Getting out before air force load
-Getting in for air force adds
-Getting out for Ink Positions on Ultros Load
-Getting back in for tentacles immediately after
-Getting to virus positions quickly
-Getting out from Real Spread / Fake Stack in Kekfaust

Compare to, say, BLM who has a 10s teleport and a 3s return to ley lines. I'd gladly dump CaC and Displace's damage for 10s cooldowns for abuse in these fights.
Note: I realize this is not the goal of the thread, which you address perfectly well. I suppose Riyah just put the thought of tons of mobility in my head and I can't shake it. I also realize damage vs mobility is a perfectly valid strategic choice to have to make mid fight. I suppose my biggest annoyance is displacement coming off cooldown during heavy aoe phases, or when stacking is mandated, or when there isn't enough room to displace to.
EDIT: I suppose I really don't have to tell you any of this. Also I am really jealous of that beautiful 100 of yours.

[Tridus]

I'd support this, if the damage was removed. Usefulness aside, leaping and backflipping around as RDM is just plain fun! Being able to do that a bit more often would be great, but it shouldn't be a "you must do this for more DPS" thing.

[Burningskull]

Perhaps I'm playing the job wrong, in which case I'm not a RDM main, but I only use Corps and Displacement when I need to melee combo. As a mage I'm only ever in melee range for the melee combo.

[RiyahArp]

What I want to know is how far away you guys are that you apparently need CaC to close the distance after a dualcast.

Displacement into running along the edge of the arena to avoid damage mechanics that slowly follow you comes to mind. Also aoe damage that gets stronger the closer you are can make you run a long distance, and you then use CaC to finish gap closing.

[Kazgrel]

What RDM are you playing? Because RDM is the one of the weakest DPS at most percentiles for most fights this tier

For 75th percentile for all the other fights:
Phantom Train: RDM is second lowest, above BRD by 60 DPS.
Guardian: RDM is third lowest, above DRG and NIN, but below BRD
Kefka: RDM is fourth lowest, barely above MCH, NIN, and BRD.
God Kefka: RDM is second lowest, above NIN, but below DRG, who is below BRD.

I’m guessing they’re thinking of pre-SB content, where RDM is capable of absurdly high dps relative to every other job. Problem for RDM is it doesn’t get any significant dps abilities/upgrades from 61-70.

What you’re pointing out with savage numbers, though, would be the data that matters most.

[RiyahArp]

I think RDM is actually pretty OP in terms of kit; the problem is that endgame content really limits DPS to "DPS only." RDM actually has strong power to fix situations; you can be faster to crisis cure a dps that ate a mechanic and is too low to avoid the followup for example, and we all know its pretty strong for solo. If we ever get any content that is more than dps only, other dps will have some pretty strong issues competing. I wonder if Eureka might be this content.

[Dualgunner]

you can be faster to crisis cure a dps that ate a mechanic and is too low to avoid the followup for example

I dunno how fast you are with vercure, but I'm nowhere near fast enough to toss out a crisis cure. I'm always 1-1.5 gcds away from even being able to.

[Fynlar]

Similar logic applies to Blank. They removed its damage so all it does now is knockback. Why doesn't it do both like it used to?

Blank not doing damage actually makes sense though because it's... a blank. Also, be glad that they took away damage from it because honestly, people just knocking back mobs with reckless abandon because MAH DEEPZ was annoying as shit to every melee in your party.

With Repelling Shot you're still presumably shooting something at the enemy, and it doesn't affect anyone else because it only sends the user back.