Got kicked Right before boss.

[silverlunarfox]

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Pretty much any game out there requires basic reading skills....heck most of them list that on the game boxes... Reading Skills/Abilities is not just an MMO thing. As someone who barely dipped their toes into MMO's mostly WoW prior to being sucked into FFXIV, FFXIV was infinitely easier to find the information at least on skills and such when you were looking for them. It's part of why I loved this game more. The UI is relatively easy (however the mini map sucks) as well to pick up for newbies, if you read out what everything is for. Maybe when starting the game t hey should really do a basic, read all the things tutorial and not just the help tips that you can pretty much instantly turn off (or make it where you cant turn them off).

Back to the original topic, I've been watching this thread a while. and its actually been a bit eye opening.

However to the OP, please please PLEASE learn your abilities. While it wrong to be ridiculed by some of the party, it was also wrong of you to not know how to properly use your class. Just take a few minutes and read the abilities you have, and worse case, redo your hotbars. It's only going to get worse if you don't.

[Derio]

Sprout icon doesnt really matter. People can turn it off at anytime. Just many new players dont know how to

[KaldeaSahaline]

I can at least answer this question for you with 100 percent certainty as I recently ran through the MSQ on an alt to see the changes that were made. The Sprouts do not loose their icons/status until they hit the first quest of Stormblood now, so it is entirely possible to see them in the higher level content that is in the game prior UNLESS they remove the sprout themselves via the /nastatus off command.

Appreciate it. I never knew that was even a thing. How does one find out about that, but not how your basic abilities work? Legitimate question.

Waiting to the end to kick is super passive aggressive. Tank sounded new but that's not really an excuse cause I've met plenty of sprouts who became really good players. So if the tank wasn't listening the right thing to do would be to warn of a kick cause he was "trolling or w/e and affecting your gaming experience. " So the three offenders should've removed him sooner instead of playing that card at the end, and even though it's not their responsibility to teach him how to play or he was being that standoffish yet even so just ignoring them completely, it is still bad dungeon etiquette. Either way, think every one in this scenario is just wrong.

Copy pasta response I made to someone else:

So to be 100% clear you would have preferred I said nothing, kicked him as soon as 5 minutes passed? Given him no time to try and improve or take advice and no feedback into why he was kicked?

You truly think that a better solution? Why?

Yes, I very much disagree with kicking someone right before the dungeon is completed. The fact that you think it was gracious of yourself to give someone the opportunity to improve is very telling in of itself.
I don't know why I bother with these threads regardless... I don't encounter these situations personally or have in relation to others in my parties.

The forums sure highlight some of the worst personalities an MMO can offer, that's for sure.

That's ironic coming from you LOL. I treated him exactly how I would want to be treated. That's life 101.

I hope this wasn’t done during the early or midway dungeon... best way to get someone to stop and listen eagerly.

That statement the SCH made was done roughly 45s before the PLD was kicked. We had just arrived at the final boss gate with loot on a 60s left timer, where I stated "I'm almost 100% ok with kicking this tank and just 3 manning the boss". The others agreed and so we waited down the remaining 45 or so seconds, when the SCH had that shit on a macro. I had already resolved myself of the kick, so I wasn't going to change it because of the SCH was rude.

Well if thats true and he was not holding aggro i am then so sorry for you and other two guys for that run. xD

I would have kicked him at the start if i would see something like this, i would thought it was a bot running dungeon. I have meet 1 healer that was only casting cure I spell all the time and didnt communicate with anyone despite him being a PC player, we barely made it at last boss i still think it was a bot healer.

Thank you for understanding. You still owe me a $1 though. You're not getting off that easy.

Side note: - do you truly believe it would have been better to say nothing and just kick him at 5 mins in? Giving him no feedback or chance to improve?

Sprout icon doesnt really matter. People can turn it off at anytime. Just many new players dont know how to

I'm an experienced player and I had no idea that was even a thing. You're telling me this guy found out/researched how to do that, but can't read a single tooltip? That doesn't strike you as odd?

[Nedkel]

Thank you for understanding. You still owe me a $1 though. You're not getting off that easy.

Side note: - do you truly believe it would have been better to say nothing and just kick him at 5 mins in? Giving him no feedback or chance to improve?

I would give up after first boss.

Just tell "sorry man, you need to watch some guides for tanking before you get into hard content, thanks bye" thats all, because even if you tell them they will not learn in that short period of time, they will refuse to do it because they dont find any reason to do any different than they do right now, or they will not want to change their skill settings in the hotbar.
Good intentions are fine and giving advices about the dungeon/trial mechanics is even expected to do for newbies, but advices about the playstyle nah they will never work like at all in any given game. xD

[ExKage]

Tam-Tara HM has such close quarters that the pulls can keep them from engaging in a kick or an open chest + the pull becomes a mess that they don't get a window to do so until the last boss.

I would have definitely given up after the 2nd boss but (barring Kaldea saying more), I don't know the situation of the loot and engagement. Depending on how patient I felt. I might have given up after the first boss. I've been the tank who just didn't have the energy to deal with mass pulls so having NIN and WHM pull a whole section before a door meant I decided to leave. To be honest I can't decide if I'd have kicked or decided to leave in that case because I would have definitely done one of those to get out. I've also grit my teeth before and probably contributed to some people not learning just because I didn't have the time, mental health and patience to do so and would rather just auto pilot a shit dungeon too. I myself don't like to just sit my ass down and stop if people are continuing so I can understand why some might have not done that if OP or in any other case's tank kept pulling.

[xMysticx]

You assume the OP has basic MMO trifecta game experience. FFXIV is not intuitive for players who has never played MMOs before and even I had issues with some of the UI concepts due to how inconsistent every aspect of this game was, and I've been playing MMOs since the 90s.

I played wow before joining FFXIV but i didn't play as a tank in wow i was mainly dps, so yes FFXIV is my first mmo playing as a tank, so let's not downgrade somebody just sayin.

[xMysticx]

also about the whole sprout thing yes i did hide mine, I don't understand what your point is for not showing mine, simply because i don't want the icon next to my name tag.

[ExKage]

You have two healers in the group???

[Skivvy]

I would also like to add the fact that Kaldea was the Dragoon,so i don't know why your trying act like you had no idea who the dragoon was when you were the DRG, here's how the party was i was the tank, healer, scholar and (Kaldea) was dragoon, so i would suggest you next time include the part where you said you were the DRG, also about the whole sprout thing yes i did hide mine, I don't understand what your point is for not showing mine, simply because i don't want the icon next to my name tag.

So you had two healers in your party?

[xMysticx]

You have two healers in the group???

All i remember was for the party was, me (Tank) (Scholar) (Dragoon) (Healer), i'm not confidently sure what class kaldea was at the time of this but i'm 40% she was indeed the Dragoon.