So SE.. Hows your new wards working out?

[Madbunny]

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Agree with everything. Not to mention expensive items what sells in small batches, e.g. 1 to 10 items per stack. Of course you can sell bigger quantities but who will buy it if to build the item you need just few of them and they are expensive. And this is not all, there are tons of reasons why retainers are pay-to-win what should be unacceptable for the game with monthly subscription. So i think players should make pressure on SE about this subject and their greedy practice. One thing is cosmetics for RL money but if you gain advantage over other players buy paying something with RL money then its called pay-to-win.

[silverlunarfox]

if you gain advantage over other players buy paying something with RL money then its called pay-to-win.

If having alot of gil is the end goal of the game...perhaps.

Most (note there is NOT an actual definition on pay-to-win it varies per person) people find the definition is paying to gain a clear and unquestionable advantage in finishing a game or defeating other players (Battlefront is the biggest and grossest example of where things were specifically gated toward a pay-to-win theme aside from every mobile game on the planet)

I don't really see how gil would be, unless its to get the best crafted gear each time around... *shrugs* However that is venturing into off-topic territory. Perhaps you should make a topic on it.

This is about housing and the current structure.

[Kurando]

And this is not all, there are tons of reasons why retainers are pay-to-win what should be unacceptable for the game with monthly subscription. So i think players should make pressure on SE about this subject and their greedy practice. One thing is cosmetics for RL money but if you gain advantage over other players buy paying something with RL money then its called pay-to-win.

This is kinda going off topic about housing.... But how are additional retainer's pay to win? They don't effect the game in anyway way, they don't do the content for you or give your character any extra advantage except more inventory space which not everyone needs anyway. I think you said you might make another thread about it so probably best to move it there.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

if you gain advantage over other players buy paying something with RL money then its called pay-to-win[/B].

One last comment and I'm done about retainers. This person isn;t making millions of gil because of retainers, they're making millions of gil because they took the time to level gatherers and crafters, and then took the time to gather or make enough items to fill up 160 selling slots. I make anywhere from 1 - 4 million a day using just two sometimes three retainers to sell. But since I spend some much time crafting it hasn't stopped me from having less mounts than most people, a lower item level because I don't do dungeons and trials as much to get the highest level gear and a bunch of tomestones. People who craft a lot are going to always have more gil, since that's pretty much all we're talking about here than people who don't. Whether they have two retainers or eight.

Apologies for going off topic.

[Besame]

Agree with everything. Not to mention expensive items what sells in small batches, e.g. 1 to 10 items per stack. Of course you can sell bigger quantities but who will buy it if to build the item you need just few of them and they are expensive. And this is not all, there are tons of reasons why retainers are pay-to-win what should be unacceptable for the game with monthly subscription. So i think players should make pressure on SE about this subject and their greedy practice. One thing is cosmetics for RL money but if you gain advantage over other players buy paying something with RL money then its called pay-to-win.

Yes, paying for extra retainers is a definite P2win.