So SE.. Hows your new wards working out?

[silverlunarfox]

if you gain advantage over other players buy paying something with RL money then its called pay-to-win.

If having alot of gil is the end goal of the game...perhaps.

Most (note there is NOT an actual definition on pay-to-win it varies per person) people find the definition is paying to gain a clear and unquestionable advantage in finishing a game or defeating other players (Battlefront is the biggest and grossest example of where things were specifically gated toward a pay-to-win theme aside from every mobile game on the planet)

I don't really see how gil would be, unless its to get the best crafted gear each time around... *shrugs* However that is venturing into off-topic territory. Perhaps you should make a topic on it.

This is about housing and the current structure.

[Kurando]

And this is not all, there are tons of reasons why retainers are pay-to-win what should be unacceptable for the game with monthly subscription. So i think players should make pressure on SE about this subject and their greedy practice. One thing is cosmetics for RL money but if you gain advantage over other players buy paying something with RL money then its called pay-to-win.

This is kinda going off topic about housing.... But how are additional retainer's pay to win? They don't effect the game in anyway way, they don't do the content for you or give your character any extra advantage except more inventory space which not everyone needs anyway. I think you said you might make another thread about it so probably best to move it there.

[Madbunny]

can you guys keep on topic?

Well somehow it is connected to the topic as some people are suggesting SE should put houses on mog station for RL money. And again we are talking about pay-to-win option for the game with monthly subscription.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

if you gain advantage over other players buy paying something with RL money then its called pay-to-win[/B].

One last comment and I'm done about retainers. This person isn;t making millions of gil because of retainers, they're making millions of gil because they took the time to level gatherers and crafters, and then took the time to gather or make enough items to fill up 160 selling slots. I make anywhere from 1 - 4 million a day using just two sometimes three retainers to sell. But since I spend some much time crafting it hasn't stopped me from having less mounts than most people, a lower item level because I don't do dungeons and trials as much to get the highest level gear and a bunch of tomestones. People who craft a lot are going to always have more gil, since that's pretty much all we're talking about here than people who don't. Whether they have two retainers or eight.

Apologies for going off topic.

[wereotter]

Doesn't help them if they waited until 4.2's release to do it or unless they pay for multiple accounts. The one private house and one FC house per world per account restriction saw to that.

The only ones benefitting are those who were grandfathered in because they purchased prior to 4.2.

These people created alts specifically so they could have the alts form and then delete people from free companies so it's all free companies of 1 person, and then that "free company" is buying a house while the limitation was in effect for individual purchases. Entire blocks were bought up by just a handful of people doing exactly this. It let them circumvent the 1 house limit since none of them were personal houses, and let them buy up the wards since individuals weren't competing for the plots.

[Shouko]

Well somehow it is connected to the topic as some people are suggesting SE should put houses on mog station for RL money. And again we are talking about pay-to-win option for the game with monthly subscription.

This isn't paying to win. You don't win or gain an advantage other than a house, which are vanity items in game, as they don't give you a boost in well anything at all.

Paying to win would be like instant raid gear for the highest tier of raid or getting skills/buffs/gear that you can't get in game that's non vanity.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

/snip

I still don't get how this works. Say you have person A, B, C, D. They all have a personal home. They get together and make four different FCs with their Alts, and each person has one alt that owns a home as a one person free company. After all of this is done, how would one of these people acquire another house under the new rules? Is the FC house no longer under the name of the person that purchased it? If not, how do they track the whole 1 FC house per account?

[Dustytome]

I still don't get how this works. Say you have person A, B, C, D. They all have a personal home. They get together and make four different FCs with their Alts, and each person has one alt that owns a home as a one person free company. After all of this is done, how would one of these people acquire another house under the new rules? Is the FC house no longer under the name of the person that purchased it? If not, how do they track the whole 1 FC house per account?

All you need is one person, let's say person D that doesn't have any characters in a free company with the house and they can get purchase rights, buy the house and then leave the fc. So for example:
A1 + D1, D2, D3 = D1 Buys the house and then D1, D2 and D3 leave and join the next fc on the list.
A2 + D1, D2, D3 = D1 Buys another house and then all their characters leave.
A3-8 repeat.
B1-8 repeat.
C1-8 repeat.

If they wanted a more immediate choice of premium plots they'd have to spread the characters out a bit instead of the lengthier process above.

[Besame]

Agree with everything. Not to mention expensive items what sells in small batches, e.g. 1 to 10 items per stack. Of course you can sell bigger quantities but who will buy it if to build the item you need just few of them and they are expensive. And this is not all, there are tons of reasons why retainers are pay-to-win what should be unacceptable for the game with monthly subscription. So i think players should make pressure on SE about this subject and their greedy practice. One thing is cosmetics for RL money but if you gain advantage over other players buy paying something with RL money then its called pay-to-win.

Yes, paying for extra retainers is a definite P2win.

[Usho]

Oh look, another "cry me a river" topic from Balmung.

Fantastic. What i see wast majority of players and servers were extremely happy with the last housing patch.now you are almost alone in your "fight"

White Knight much?

Seriously though, adding new wards changes NOTHING. People are still able to bypass the new rules. For example a couple faux FC's on my server brought up so many houses in almost all the residential areas. They are taking advantage of this because its not against the rules to do so, hence why not alot of people are able to find housing still. Relocation is like a cheat code for ppl with housing already, and the random timer lockout on housing raises the housing wars to a new level to the point that people are fighting and cussing each other out over this(saw this a many times on my server.). Something has to change, otherwise this cycle will continue and tensions will continue to mount.