Extreme primals do not belong in Mentor roulette.

[Belisaire]

Am I missing something? Why do people queue for Extreme Primals to begin with? Wouldn't you just party finder that stuff? I feel like you have a significantly greater chance of success with that...

[ServerCollaps]

But, again, the comparison isn't accurate. Max item level sync and 5 stacks of echo mean nothing when groups can't time avoiding knockbacks in Titan, break stuns in Ramuh, and dodge cane/sword in Shiva. These kill people immediately regardless of item level; they're pure mechanics.

so you want new people to never learn those fights? Noone joins pf synced groups, so mentors from mentor roulette are the only way for them to get some help

[BillyKaplan]

Am I missing something? Why do people queue for Extreme Primals to begin with? Wouldn't you just party finder that stuff? I feel like you have a significantly greater chance of success with that...

The one time the game teaches you about pf is at level 15 when you have no use for it and you're free to forget about it afterward. Most players who go into extreme trials simply don't know better. Which is one reason why, absurdly, a mentor going in there via roulette and telling them to pf it is one of the most valuable lessons they can get out of any single ex trial, regardless of clearing it that time or not

[Krotoan]

...Usually there is not enough practice runs in a pug group for both tanks to get the hang of it within the duration of the run or before people start leaving.

Also because of the stacking echo, each pull has slightly different timings that throw new tanks off.

And half the time the tanks don't actually know how to tank swap in the first place.

And that's just the tanks, don't even start about how every chaotic that the dps/healers mess up is guaranteed two deaths.

sounds rough.

But someone has gotta teach them right? Even if they don't pass it that time I'd think it'd be a valuable learning experience. Maybe there should be a heavier penalty for leaving a mentor roulette if you're a mentor? Make people stick around and make sure the lesson is learned instead of ditching people for not learning it fast enough.

[BillyKaplan]

But someone has gotta teach them right?

Please take a moment to realize how entitled and lazy this question is. People played this game, many, many people, long before the mentor system, let alone the roulette, were introduced. People still are able to clear new content, even Savage and Ultimate without someone having done it before them. The sprouts can learn from the same people all those other players did before them - themselves. Failing practical experience, it's not like it's impossible to find a video or two which could help a lot more than a text spam, especially for people who perceive things better visually rather than verbally. And if they want a carry and can't do the bare minimum to not get the party to wipe constantly, that is not the Mentor's fault nor their responsibility to pick up the slack. Mentors still are, at the end of it, regular players who have every right to worry about how their own sub-time is spent

Maybe there should be a heavier penalty for leaving a mentor roulette if you're a mentor?

Mentor roulette is there to fill queues, not to carry sprouts through content. The penalty currently in place is fine.

[Derio]

Its more of a learning experience for the players really. Mentors are just the ones who guide them there.

If they clear then thats great, but most of those attempts are fail groups that are really there for just practice. And the sad thing is if you run through the time and dont clear, it doesnt count towards your mentor roulette counter and ends up being a waste of time for the mentor.

Thats why when you see mentors getting placed in ex trials they often just leave because they know what they are in for.

[BillyKaplan]

If they clear then thats great, but most of those attempts are fail groups that are really there for just practice. And the sad thing is if you run through the time and dont clear, it doesnt count towards your mentor roulette counter and ends up being a waste of time for the mentor.

I do wish they'd change that so that hitting the max time on a duty will still tick for the achiev. A lot of people will still quit because the penalty's shorter than the max timer, but a lot of people would still stay because a lot of us do want to help, we're just humanly selfish enough to not stick around if it's not worth our time. I feel like giving us that tick on the achiev would help everyone involved, since if we're already at the 1 hour mark on a Titan ex, then that means EVERYONE, mentors and sprouts and randoms, are actually invested enough and want to try and clear.

[Krotoan]

Entitled? .. nope.. not seeing it.

You queued in the mentor roulette. Why did you do that? Rewards! .. why should you have an exclusive roulette? Because you fulfilled all the reqs for the mentor title? Admirable sure, but that's not what the title is for.

[Airget]

Though, I think a fair compromise would be introducing "Mentor:Extreme Roulette", same reward and maybe have it count for +2 on the achievement list. At least then players can be prepared for the variable of having to do an Extreme since it can be a bit unfair that by being put into an Extreme there is a likelihood to not be given credit because of the potential difficulty compared to the random party you are put in.

[BillyKaplan]

Entitled? .. nope.. not seeing it.

So did you latch onto the leg of the first adventurer you ran into in the game or did you actually try to play it yourself first? And what do you do when everyone in the party is new and there's no one there "to teach" you?

You queued in the mentor roulette. Why did you do that? Rewards!

Because why does anyone does anything in this game? I wonder if a single good soul who gets on Mentors' cases like this ever went "hm I'll queue for a bunch of random extreme trials as healer or tank, because someone might need help".

.. why should you have an exclusive roulette?

1. Good question, ask Yoshi-P that next time you see him, he and his might've been the ones to put it there in the first place. I could be wrong though.
2. Not all mentors have access to the roulette so the point is actually kind of redundant.
3. Because it is a unique roulette, meant to help duties that take long to pop, and might not even exist within other roulettes. The fact guildhests pop as often as they do mean that despite there being a roulette for that, that sort of content needs help too. As I said before, we're queue fodder, and SE is using us well since as it turns out half their roulettes are dead. Hi 50/60

Because you fulfilled all the reqs for the mentor title?

Because ON TOP OF THAT I have successfully cleared each and every duty in the roulette, which means I at least have them unlocked and might not be complete dead weight if I go in there (hence the problem with people who got their clear unsynced, but that leads us back to whether or not extreme trials should be in the roulette in the first place if that's what it takes for most people to clear it at all, something even Yoshi-P acknowledged when he encouraged people to try out HW extremes when SB came out).

Admirable sure, but that's not what the title is for.

And yet we're not discussing the title, we're discussing the roulette, which too many people take to be interchangable. And as for the roulette...



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