Please change the requirements to become mentor

[Shouko]

But you don't need any commendations to become a mentor. Nor do you need to level all three roles.

Just stop expecting the mentor system to be something it isn't. Mentors are there for people to know that they can ask them a question and (probably) get an answer. That's it.

Except that you do need those things to be an official mentor, otherwise you're just another player.

While you can pretty much do everything a mentor can in terms of helping a player out, you don't get access to the mentor status, which is what most people want, they want everything that comes with being a mentor.

[MomomiMomi]

Except that you do need those things to be an official mentor, otherwise you're just another player.

While you can pretty much do everything a mentor can in terms of helping a player out, you don't get access to the mentor status, which is what most people want, they want everything that comes with being a mentor.

Still don't have a tank leveled, I've been a mentor since the system was put in place.

[Shouko]

Still don't have a tank leveled, I've been a mentor since the system was put in place.

I guess I should had made it more clear but it was late.

I was trying to state that you still have to go through those things, whether it be dungeons, 3 jobs to 60 and commendations, or going the crafting/gathering route. Let's not take everything so literal.

[ManuelBravo]

As a mentor who actually helps people I think I would lean more towards the extreme. Make it so it requires achievements ( minimum 7k points would make sense ) / playtime ( 2 years minimum ) / Role completion ( 3 for each role instead of one ) / disqualification for using jump potions ( would help weed out the non experience players ) and make so that any player at the end of run can evaluate mentors before exiting. Example thumbs up / down would demote mentor if average drops under 3 stars from a 5 star system. Even I t hink there are some really crappy mentors out there that really deserve to have their status revoked. SPECIALLY those that quit before a run.

[BillyKaplan]

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Bruh I already have the one job, I don't need another, especially one I have to pay to access instead of the other way around. And downvote will be horrendous for the same reason commendations are ultimately useless - people will give them for the wrong reasons.

[ManuelBravo]

Bruh I already have the one job, I don't need another, especially one I have to pay to access instead of the other way around. And downvote will be horrendous for the same reason commendations are ultimately useless - people will give them for the wrong reasons.

Not sure what your worried about, as a mentor I get pretty good commendations on 90% of my runs. Unless people are trolling I could understand. Not sure how your runs work unless your not doing your part. Ok well lets remove the thumbs up / down part then for us who have actually completed all 70 jobs would actually be a good thing. There is an idea give Mentor status minimum all jobs at 60 -.-

[BillyKaplan]

Not sure what your worried about, as a mentor I get pretty good commendations on 90% of my runs. Unless people are trolling I could understand. Not sure how your runs work unless your not doing your part.

You seriously want to tell me you never had people bite your head off for trying to offer advice after the second wipe? Lucky bastard. And I was being polite and factual about the content, in case you thought that was the problem.

[HyoMinPark]

Except that you do need those things to be an official mentor, otherwise you're just another player.

They probably got the status via crafting/gathering—it has different requirements from a PvE mentor.


As for the commendations, I rarely give commendations to people I think were “the best” of a run. My comms go to whoever I think deserve them, be it because they’re funny, they have a cool glamour, a cool name, etc.. Point is, comms are not a sign of a good player: you could have gotten your comms from just being a tank/healer, even if you aren’t a “good” tank or healer, because some people default to always comm’ing the tank/healer.

I mean, I think there should be something to “fix” the mentor system, but I don’t think the answer is in upping the amount of commendations.

How about a "Rate-the-mentor" pop-up at the end of a dungeoun, trial, whatever, displayed in the profile for everyone to see how much you actually do care about mentoring newbies or just want that (rather ugly) crown over your head with numbers of ratings and somewhat like an overall 1-5 stars summarythingy, I dunno.

I disagree. Because people will be petty and 1-star rate people out of spite. Tank did something you didn’t like, and was a mentor? 1 star. Healer was DPSing and you think healers should only heal (even though no one came close to dying and the run went super smooth)? 1 star. See someone from your server that you don’t like? 1 star.

Bad idea.

[MiepMausi]

I disagree. Because people will be petty and 1-star rate people out of spite. Tank did something you didn’t like, and was a mentor? 1 star. Healer was DPSing and you think healers should only heal (even though no one came close to dying and the run went super smooth)? 1 star. See someone from your server that you don’t like? 1 star.

Bad idea.

In that case every change to the mentor system would be a bad idea, remove the crown and replace that symbol with a schoolbook or something.
Or make it the crown gets different color tones, from bronze up to platinum or whatever, if I would be new somewhere and someone actually lives up to his precious crown and explains how we can get through without havin a rough time and I'm not a dork why wouldn't I give that person the rating he/she deserves? That put to only give the new ones to prompt to rate that person to further prevent random low ratings.
Ofcourse there will always be people like you described, but there are decent players out there, I still have hope for humanity

[HyoMinPark]

I'm not a dork why wouldn't I give that person the rating he/she deserves?

I appreciate that you would rate people properly. But not everyone will, and you can’t really expect everyone in DF to behave as you do.

The amount of trolling/bad behavior that already goes on is already bad enough (example: a post on Reddit made recently that involved someone calling a tank garbage—though, they used far more colorful language—in PotD, when the tank said it was their first time). Implementing a rating system—be it 1 star to 5 stars, or bronze > silver > gold > platinum—would just be a recipe for disaster because, I think, more times than not, people will use it to troll or retaliate against someone they dislike, or who isn’t playing to their “standards”.

To use a more “positive” scenario, what if people gave ratings like they do commendations? “I like that person’s glamour, so I will give them 5 stars” or “That person said something funny in chat; I will give them 5 stars”. Very lovely things for people to do, but that doesn’t reflect on the mentor’s gameplay, or mentor capabilities.

Since commendations are so subjective, so would a rating system like you have described. Many people don’t even comm “the best” player in a duty, but for other reasons.