Vanity Cash Shop

[Aenarion]

I otherwise wouldn't have created this post if I didn't want to see other people's opinion.

use the search function tbh, this has been done too many times recently already without you digging the dead horse back again for another round of beating.

You choose to judge people based on what they purchase. That is awesome. We really do need more close minded people in the world like you. Oops! Have that. Now, my stance on things that do not directly involve me, or harm others, goes to the tune of 'whatever floats your boat'.

way to pull that ad hominem out of your ass too, I'm obviously close-minded because I think it's idiotic for people to spend $200 on a virtual mount or $80 for a virtual monocle right? Oh how blind I was, how dared I have a non-super politically correct opinion! also kids, apparently having an opinion about someone's online purchase also equals you judging their entire person! it's true 'cause Baxter said so!

also, your whatever floats your boat sentiment is one I agree with, but one thing you seem to failed to realize in the context of the cash shop scenario is that many DO see it as a direct harm to them, for one reason or another.

[Nuru]

Again, no I do not want a Cash Shop, even if its just for the vanity items. Its been discussed to death and most of the players that post here are against any cash shop in any shape or form.

I would have to agree with vanity items if SE really is bent on adding any Cash Shops, but nothing more than vanity. So I guess I can say yes and no. You can pay monthly for the game AND have a cash shop for vanity items, but if its a F2P its not going to last as long as SE wants this game to last.

[Baxter]

use the search function tbh, this has been done too many times recently already without you digging the dead horse back again for another round of beating.




way to pull that ad hominem out of your ass too, I'm obviously close-minded because I think it's idiotic for people to spend $200 on a virtual mount or $80 for a virtual monocle right? Oh how blind I was, how dared I have a non-super politically correct opinion! also kids, apparently having an opinion about someone's online purchase also equals you judging their entire person! it's true 'cause Baxter said so!

also, your whatever floats your boat sentiment is one I agree with, but one thing you seem to failed to realize in the context of the cash shop scenario is that many DO see it as a direct harm to them, for one reason or another.

What exactly did I pull out of my ass? Why are you getting so angry? I am just repeating back to you what you said. Yes it's closed minded to judge someone's character or intelligence based off of what they buy. What is worth it to me very well may not be worth it to others. I spend extra for organic most people think it's a waste. Does this make me stupid? I love how you dart for the extreme. I certainly wouldn't pay 200 bucks for a virtual mount, or 80 dollars for a monocle. Are you serious?

As for judging people based on what they buy, I'll just leave this right here for you.

Yes, there are a lot of idiots in the worlds with more money than they should have, news at 11.

can you imagine that conversation?
Person1: You're an idiot based on what you would spend your money on.
Person2: .......
Person1: Not the entire you.

[XStruckX]

No.

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[Aenarion]

What exactly did I pull out of my ass? Why are you getting so angry? I am just repeating back to you what you said. Yes it's closed minded to judge someone's character or intelligence based off of what they buy. What is worth it to me very well may not be worth it to others. I spend extra for organic most people think it's a waste. Does this make me stupid? I love how you dart for the extreme. I certainly wouldn't pay 200 bucks for a virtual mount, or 80 dollars for a monocle. Are you serious?

I don't have to be nice to people who are not nice to me.

Have you seriously never heard of the saying "xxxx has too much time/money on his hands..."? my original post is of the same vein, yet you're twisting that around and claiming that I'm close-minded because I'm judging people's characters based on what they buy? the one going to the extremes to make mountains out of molehills is you, not me.

Do I think paying for cash shop items in a P2P game is stupid? yes, much in the same way I think it was stupid when people pay for overpriced stuff. Do I literally think they're mentally challenged? no, and the only one making that leap here is you. Calling me close-minded when my opinion doesn't conform to your political correctness/sensibility? hypocrisy much?

also, $200 for a mount is a figure mentioned earlier in this thread, while the $80 monocle is what's present in Eve Online, I'm hardly darting for the extremes here.

As for judging people based on what they buy, I'll just leave this right here for you.

can you imagine that conversation?
Person1: You're an idiot based on what you would spend your money on.
Person2: .......
Person1: Not the entire you.

all I can say is, go take some english class, it may help you improve your reading comprehension, or just actually go out and talk to people.


Me: Did you actually spend $xxxx on that mac?
Friend: yea, it's so THIN!
Me: That's just stupid man, you have entirely way too much money on your hands.

obviously my friend took that as a personal insult against his character, and we proceeded to beat each other up in a fight to the death.

or not

[Fensfield]

Vanity items are the compromise I would grudgingly bow on in the face of no option but to accept the implementation of any sort of cash shop. However I am vehemently against the whole affair - there is nothing that could be in a cash shop which couldn't be acquired through some means within the game under the umbrella of a paid subscription, and as far as I am concerned it is far better that way.

Cash shops in a subscription based game, of any form, are an attempt to either squeeze more money out of players or to prop up a failing game (usually indicative of the game reaching the end of its operational life); either way, in my opinion they offer no positives that wouldn't be greater if the items they contained weren't simply available to subscription-paying players from within the game at no extra cost, and at minimum come with certain fourth wall-related negatives. It's also extremely common to have to deal with the fact that to encourage people to buy them, cash shop vanity items have to stand out from those generally available in game - normally resulting in them looking overly flashy, tacky, and/or stupid to appeal to the sort of people normally go in for this sort of thing (not an attack, just.. well, younger players and so forth). And that's not touching on the issues around gameplay stuff for cash. Another concern is the development time needs to be dedicated to cash shop items that could be going toward stuff could be a part of the game itself.

I would much rather just have what's implementable under a subscription, than have a marginal increase in the amount of stuff when that increase comes with any of the possible negatives, and when most of that stuff has to work within the requirements of a cash shop in the first place. The only thing I can see any comfort in doing for real money is certain services - ie, server transfer and name changes - and even then, the care needed to implement those harmlessly still needs to be a bit close to paranoid.

That being said, in the event I were forced to accept a vanity cash shop, however distasteful I may find it, all of its contents should be accessible through some means in game as well - albeit significantly less easily, I suppose.

[Delsus]

This can be done in a veriaty of ways without a cash shop, you wanna change your hairstyle, go to a barber and pay gil, you want scars get your sword and cut em yourself.

One thing I would like them to add is a system where you choose the gear you use for stats, but you can use the apperance of other gear for vanity sake so you dont have to be seen in that ugly gear that happens to have the best stats.

Oh yeah and cash shops have no place in P2P MMOs, the furthest I would want them to go is a small charge for server transfers, nothing else ontop of the sub.

[captainpicard]

Upon further consideration, I would rather SE implement a vanity cash shop than charge a monthly fee for this game.

[PSxpert2011]

Put those silly monster mounts in the cash shop so we can know who is foolish enough to spend cash on a mount.

We have "Crysta", It would follow up on their next 30-day subscription bill. Anyway, I don't support RMT on SEs account as much as I don't support RMT on 2nd, 3rd party accounts.

I saw this coming -3-

LOL, Gath is the man! eer, I mean Da Lala Fella!

One of two options

1) cash shop, but free to play game

OR

2) no cash shop, and a monthly fee.

Anything that does both of these is being cheap for the sake of greed. Don't encourage it. I was hoping to see FFXIV go completely f2p a la Guild Wars, but after spending so much money on making the game better, that seems pretty unlikely.

Um ... No. P2P there is and P2P is where it'll stay. THanks for being informative though I may say so.

Also, vanity items ARE a big deal for me. I treat my appearance as importantly as I treat my stats, so offering items like that in a cash shop is a game breaker for me. I spend enough money on clothes IRL - I shouldn't have to do the same in a game that I'm already paying for just so I can get the appearance I want.

Whoow, how good do you look(irl) and how are your stats? =3

Do you typically insult people who choose to spend their hard earned money the way they see fit?

I don't support "insulting" and there shouldn't be any need to be negative. Let's stay on topic and turn away from the "Bankers". Everything in-game is either won by reward or in-game currency.

As long as it doesn't give an advantage over other players, I'm all for it.

Um, ...no. -.-

Upon further consideration, I would rather SE implement a vanity cash shop than charge a monthly fee for this game.

I said it before, down with the "Bankers"!



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I like the new Crysta payment system... I'm buy my game-card in CASH. I register the card online to buy Crysta... and I pay in CRYSTA. I'm glad I don't have to compromise a bank account or worry about have a bank account anymore. The safe I need is in my room. Closed my checking account-I'm done.

[Zigizo]

This isn't LoTR, Everquest, or any other p2p gone f2p.

You have one or the other.

ITT: Kids spending their parents money