Here you go Yoshida, hard-straight stats.

[Keftenk]

First and foremost, this post isn't specifically about drop rates, more so how the loot system allows the duplication of drops and uncontrollable RNG which ends up making it a nightmare to deal with. I provide data for a factual-statistical account to justify that the loot system is absurdly obnoxious and overall creating a very unenjoyable experience.


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I think it's no big surprise that everyone that has done Ifrit or is still doing Ifrit knows that the loot system is completely flawed and one of the worst created time sinks in the game. It's miraculous that the development team/Yoshida hasn't hot fixed it after all of the backlash that they've received from the implementation of the fight. I'm not even sure how this kind of system gets approved by Yoshida, the development team, and QA team.

I believe Yoshida commented that they were "looking into it", which isn't a big shock because it seems to be what they say with everything that needs immediate attention.

My LS has been keeping track of statistics since our very first run and tonight we killed our 100th Ifrit and I thought it would be an interesting post to show not only to the dev. team (if this was ever passed on), but everyone else. Obviously other groups will have different drop percentages and so forth, but I doubt that my LS is the odd-one out and has the worst luck ever. I bet there are groups that have even worse numbers then ours, as well as groups that have much better.

Yoshida has harped on the revival of Final Fantasy XIV many times with 4 keywords: Fun, Live, Reboot, and Rebuild.

It's simple and direct, the fight is fun, the system makes it not fun. It in fact dwarfs the enjoyment of how fun the fight is and makes the entire experience a very bad one for anyone that has been ramming their heads against the wall as much as groups like mine.

I beg to question, is it a Easterner thing to not have fun? Not to be rewarded for hard work? I'm perplexed...

Regardless, I didn't want to make this as much of a rage, qq, or "do we really need another one of these" posts since it's commonly known that the system is incredibly moronic. Yet, if it's numbers and data you need Yoshida to justify that the system should be fixed, reimbursed, and never-ever implemented ever, ever again. Then here are our numbers. I'd imagine though that you have some sort of data collection on your side that isn't shared with the players.



I'll point out that we didn't keep track whether we broke 0 horns, 1 horn, or 2 horns to concretely see if the drop rate was effected in any way. However with that said, we have never killed Ifrit with 0 horns still up. We always have 1 horn down and have done multiple 2 horn kills. We actually tended to see more zero drop kills on our 2 horn kills, which I'm sure doesn't mean anything but really bad RNG.

So, 100% of the time a horn is broken.

It baffles me that zero drops is even a possible reward. I feel bad for any group that worked so hard to kill Ifrit, finally killing him for their first time and all they got was dark matter.

You can ignore the rating, this was implemented prior to the patch release. We didn't know how incredibly stupid the loot system would be. Attendance ratings compared with the items people actually have (that aren't duplicates) is whats more interesting.



This is the break down of dates and who got what. This counts all duplicates, basically everything and anything that dropped into someones loot pool. To note, one member (Tira Misu) received 4 items outside of our group runs, resulting in some duplicate drops (I think a Battleaxe and a Cane).


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The justification that the armory system is supposed to be about playing multiple classes is a poor argument for the way the system is implemented. Players enjoy playing certain jobs over others, thus wanting to gear those jobs first or only those jobs. You know, giving players a choice (/gasp radical concept, I know!) However, that one item that they want they can never seem to get because they'll end up getting Ifrit's Canes over, and over, and over again.

There have been numerous threads with good ideas of how to fix the issue or correct the issue for the future. These can be viewed here.

Ifrit Battle Loot (Hard)
[NA] Ifrit Bleeds, We Can Kill It (Hyper): COMPLETE
Ifrit reward system seriously needs tweaking


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Be smart, don't screw us over with the Moogle Primal fight. It's better to have content that you can blow on through, getting what you want. Rather then being a frustrated player in a already frustrating game. Until you guys can create content that is lasting, you will always get backlash from the community for your decisions like Ifrit.

Who knows, maybe tomorrows hot-fix finally fixes this...

/shrug

[Kailea_Nagisa]

kill a hard boss and get nothing? happened in FFXI all the time, nothing new, it sucks, but it can happen

[Aenarion]

kill a hard boss and get nothing? happened in FFXI all the time, nothing new, it sucks, but it can happen

It's not so much that you kill him and get nothing but dark matter, it's that when he DOES drop something, often times it's a repeat, which you can't even pass off to someone who can actually use it or don't have already. While technically you can count a duplicate drop as a no-drop, in reality it's perceived by most as a slap in the face.

[Anapingofness]

kill a hard boss and get nothing? happened in FFXI all the time, nothing new, it sucks, but it can happen

All too true.

This was mainly because stupidly low drop percentages that in the end had a very marginal effect. We're talking about 0.5% chances of things dropping- and even if that wasn't the case, let's face it. Anyone who has ever played FFXI and camped an NM will tell you that it really feels that way sometimes, and by sometimes, I mean most of the time.

Look, I'm all for working for that amazing piece of gear. But you know what? If I'm going to spend a stupid amount of time camping an NM or gathering mats to have something made then I want more than a marginal increase in stats. 1% haste is not worth spending weeks or months working toward something.

In fact, you couldn't see the effect that awesome Haste + 1% belt had without a parser. You couldn't see it if it was 2% or 3%... You couldn't really tell with 5% but at least it was a solid number. You would have have a lot of haste + gear in order to be able to tell the difference as a player without using a program.

To some extent I do agree with the OP, it's ok to give us things that we can achieve reasonably quickly... but on the other hand, if SE wants to keep abysmal drop rates then make that piece of gear worth the abysmal drop rate, not a marginal increase. In my opinion, SE spends so much time worried about not breaking the game that they end up being too conservative.

Bah, but really. I hope the NM's in this game don't follow suit of FFXI droprates. It made me hate them with a fiery passion of a thousand suns.

[Chardrizard]

IMO, i feel the low drop rate is fine (it's not some stupid 0.5%, probably closer to 5-10%), something to prolong the longevity of the said contents, or otherwise everyone would be geared up by 7th ifrit kills, even though low droprates is an archaic mechanic but unless someone can came up with better ideas to prolong content, this will be how it is done.


My only concern is getting duplicates, it feels like a slap in the face when i received my #7 cudgel, it is something that needs to be adressed before next primals release. SE, if you couldn't came up with a drop system to excludes what you already have in your inventory, please just make the chest drop Ifrit's Horn or something and let us trade it to item we wanted to an NPC a la Faction NM leves gear.

[Xatsh]

I see nothing wrong with ifrit drop rate you can spam it twice an hour all day if you wanted to.

They just need to fix the stupid loot system and make them go into the lot pool like dungeons did.

[DoctorMog]

I see nothing wrong with ifrit drop rate you can spam it twice an hour all day if you wanted to.

They just need to fix the stupid loot system and make them go into the lot pool like dungeons did.

And this is the winning post.

Either SE increases the droprate and only lets you do it once every 24 hours, or they let you do it twice an hour and have shit droprate.

Pick your poison.

[AdorraEloom]

I see nothing wrong with ifrit drop rate you can spam it twice an hour all day if you wanted to.

They just need to fix the stupid loot system and make them go into the lot pool like dungeons did.

Its a huge problem, because when people get 7/20, and other people get 3/400 there is a huge problem, the random logic is broken at that point, if your going to make a drop random make it random and not broken, almost everyone I play with now has 7 weapons and I still need one, but have nobody to play with anymore because once people get their items they hate this fight so much at that point they wont run it again.

[Rentahamster]

once people get their items they hate this fight so much at that point they wont run it again.

That sucks dude.

I can help do runs if you are in need.

[Rydin]

Its a huge problem, because when people get 7/20, and other people get 3/400 there is a huge problem, the random logic is broken at that point, if your going to make a drop random make it random and not broken, almost everyone I play with now has 7 weapons and I still need one, but have nobody to play with anymore because once people get their items they hate this fight so much at that point they wont run it again.

Good point... no video games use a random number generator for drops....

oh wait.....