Crime & Punishment. Why have GM's that are unable or unwilling to suspend accounts?

[ThirdKeyOfSun]

Completely true.



Completely false. There are a lot of forms of harassment, they don't need to insult you to be warned or banned. If an individual say constantly early pulls hunts/puts them behind rocks so that they go LoS, repeteadly kicks others in dungeons for no reason or does some sort of clear griefing just for the sake of it I can assure you that person is gonna be having a few words with a GM.

You are absolutely correct but that answer was in direct response to the OPs situation. Nothing of the sort was mentioned on his end so the only other way a GM could have possibly done anything for him was if words were involved. Sorry for the confusion!

[Gallus]

You are absolutely correct but that answer was in direct response to the OPs situation. Nothing of the sort was mentioned on his end so the only other way a GM could have possibly done anything for him was if words were involved. Sorry for the confusion!

If the situation involves insults then you immediately meet a GM guaranteed, but it's not an always 100% requirement. If whoever the TC reported anecdotically kiked him because of different playstyles nothing's gonna happen (I'm inclined to think that's most likely the case), however, if the person the TC came across has been repeteadly kiking others for apparently no reason and amassing reports that person is gonna end up talking to a GM.

[KageTokage]

Something to keep in mind, a lot of MMOs will do mass bannings at once. So bots and the like may get away with things for awhile, and then after enough have fallen into the net, a mass-ban will happen.

No clue if this is how SE handles certain botting behavior, but it is a fairly common tactic.

As far as bots go, this seems to apply strictly to the mass-produced gil-farmers that hack and teleport around, because the same gathering bots are still around after over a year of me reporting them.

Even in the case of the gil farmers, it takes them far too long to act against them, since they're generally able to farm for several days before they get purged.

[HyoMinPark]

Something to keep in mind, a lot of MMOs will do mass bannings at once. So bots and the like may get away with things for awhile, and then after enough have fallen into the net, a mass-ban will happen.

No clue if this is how SE handles certain botting behavior, but it is a fairly common tactic.

I'm fairly certain the only bots included in the mass bans are the Level 1 RMT advertisers in city states that you can right-click report, and the bots that bot through the MSQ with nonsense names to farm Gil for RMT. PvP bots and crafting/gathering bots rarely ever seem to be included in there. I'm aware of a few crafting and gathering bots on my server that are still botting away despite reports, and have been for quite some time. All I can do is encourage my friends to at least not give them any business, but that doesn't stop them.

Completely false. There are a lot of forms of harassment, they don't need to insult you to be warned or banned. If an individual say constantly early pulls hunts/puts them behind rocks so that they go LoS, repeteadly kicks others in dungeons for no reason or does some sort of clear griefing just for the sake of it I can assure you that person is gonna be having a few words with a GM.

The other reasons may be valid, but the GMs have gone on record saying that early pulling Hunt marks is not a reportable offense, nor is it harassment. Only way it could be considered harassment would be if the puller was being abusive in /shout or something, but then that is harassment via chat, not early pulling. Now, pulling and constantly resetting a Hunt is reportable.

[HyoMinPark]

Yes you are right, but have ever read the comments of what people say during the hunt?

In which case, the comments are the source of harassment and the basis of a report. Not the early pulling. Which is exactly what I said in my post you quoted. There is a difference between reporting an early pull, and reporting an individual that early pulled AND harassed people in /shout.

[AxlStream]

Okay, let's take it from another perspective, do you think I should record dungeon runs from now on just like a dashcam on a car? What am I gonna do with the video footage?
As much as I really want to, unlike real life, I can't post it on here or reddit due to the stupid rules involved.

Maybe it's just because I played the game for 4 years or so and never got kicked or the way you come out swinging for the fences but something tells me you're just upset you got kicked out right before a final boss because of a legit reason. Hell, if someone is being a douche in a dungeon I do the same stunt. Being a Warrior does help as we can literally solo the Expert roulette bosses right now.

[Millen1]

I have been here since Beta and the release. The only mass ban I recall was in the first month or so with anyone that made any amount of gil on the market board. I am sure a bunch bought the gil also but a bunch quit the game when that happened. Some got caught, some lost their gil without cheating. Don't really recall much about it but that was the only time I recall SE doing anything against players. I feel they are too scared to enforce their own ToS for fear of losing their player base. Either they know there is a lot of cheating and fear they will lose a lot of players or they are unsure what will happen if they actually enforce their ToS and worry about losing subs. Honestly, it would be nice to have a game that cheating is kept to a minimum. I think most players would be happy to have a fair game. But SE will never bother enforcing their ToS as I report bots daily and they rarely get a time out.

[Mirch]

you can't get banned unless you hurt someone's feelings via text uwu

[Gallus]

The other reasons may be valid, but the GMs have gone on record saying that early pulling Hunt marks is not a reportable offense, nor is it harassment. Only way it could be considered harassment would be if the puller was being abusive in /shout or something, but then that is harassment via chat, not early pulling. Now, pulling and constantly resetting a Hunt is reportable.

True, early pulling isn't a form of harassment, but go ahead and early pull every hunt yourself during months, and after that spam the manderville emote and shout something like "X is dead but don't fear, it will respawn again!". I can guarantee you you'll be meeting a GM.
All I'm saying is, you don't need to just insult someone to get banned, if you are a douche via other ways and you are persistent at it, you'll end up eating a warning too.

[HyoMinPark]

True, early pulling isn't a form of harassment, but go ahead and early pull every hunt yourself during months, and after that spam the manderville emote and shout something like "X is dead but don't fear, it will respawn again!". I can guarantee you you'll be meeting a GM.
All I'm saying is, you don't need to just insult someone to get banned, if you are a douche via other ways and you are persistent at it, you'll end up eating a warning too.

Yes, but not from early pulling; you’ll get banned for being an arse in /shout, not for pulling Hunt Marks early. I think it’s important to note that difference because “getting banned from early pulling” is unlikely, but not “getting banned for being a tool and insulting people in /shout”.

As for meeting a GM, they’d be more likely to meet with an individual if they said a curse word in chat, not for pulling mobs and then performing /manderville. That’s the surest way to get banned: say a “bad word” and someone report you over it.
But they’ll continue to ignore the rampant PvP bots, and crafting bots and gathering bots killing a server’s economy or markets.

Personally, I’m still more of a fan of not giving those tools the time of day. Ignore them, and they eventually stop because they aren’t getting a rise out of you.