Crime & Punishment. Why have GM's that are unable or unwilling to suspend accounts?

[IttyBitty]

...players who choose to abuse the system since it would be hard to prove.

People are under absolutely zero obligation to play with you, and if the majority of the party agree that you should be removed, then they can do so if they feel you do not fit with how they want to play. This is how the GMs have responded to every single question about vote dismissing. It is not abuse. It is working as intended.

we have another ignorant person who completely dismisses the power of google search.

You don't seem to know how google search works, so I don't think you should be flinging the word ignorant around.

Searching for ffxiv vote dismiss (no quotes) brings up every single website with those three words appearing together for any reason, including those talking about the feature, asking how it works, or times that it is appropriate, or threads just like this one. Even so, it only returns 62,000 results.

ffxiv "Vote kicked" brings up 1,650 results.
ffxiv "vote dismiss" brings up 937.
ffxiv "vote dismissed" brings up 505.
ffxiv "kicked from party" returns 516.
ffxiv "dismissed" brings up the most, at 135,000, and still contains results that aren't specifically about people being vote kicked from duties, such as pet dismissal, FC dismissal, etc.

Given FFXIV has passed 10 million players in total (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/fi.../1100-6452413/) and had around 826,000 active players at the end of January per Lucky Bancho's unofficial census (see https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...a_101/dnsgiki/)

....yeah. You ain't convincing me or anybody that it's as big a problem as you wish it was.

[Miste]

Again we have another ignorant person who completely dismisses the power of google search.
"FFXIV vote dismiss" You're welcome.

I'm sorry, but if you are going to call them ignorant you might want to rethink your idea that google search of more anecdotal experiences actually proves this happens often because that would be ignorant.

When people explain these personal experiences it is from a biased point of view about an event and therefore may be missing information since it is one sided, faulty due to bias, and ruled by emotion and not logic and/or facts.

There is absolutely no way for you to prove this happens frequently or determine the % of the player base who has had this happen to them. Only SE would be able to investigate since they have all the data on every vote kick ever initiated and chat logs. Even then outside chat/voice programs may make even their conclusion not 100% accurate.

[Sesera]

Again we have another ignorant person who completely dismisses the power of google search.
"FFXIV vote dismiss" You're welcome.

Just because it happens here and there doesn't mean it happens on a daily basis.
How many dungeons you did and how many abusive kick you got?

[Awha]

While sort of off topic, not going to lie I have started vote kicks if I happen to get a three lala's in a the group in hopes of getting a fourth. Even put that as the reason for the vote, scary thing is a decent number of them pass which is frightening.

Lol GM's step up your game. Unless not lala enough falls under the difference of play style, if so carry on GM's.

[NanaWiloh]

Adding a difference of playstyle option will do nothing as you cant see the reason why you were kicked. Gms as so many have stated wont take action unless they find something and wont tell you if they take action, leading you right back to where you are now.

[Adventica6]

I've ran over 1500-2000 dungeons in my time playing and not once was I vote kicked, I think you are not telling the true story, like at all.

[Eimian_Eda]

Been here since 2.0 and only been vote kicked once.
Was tanking with a bad MH (I honestly didn't know it was low ilvl, no tank MH's had dropped, didn't even cross my mind as everything else had dropped).
At the final boss they all spoke up at once and promptly kicked me, despite no aggro/health issues. Don't think I should have been kicked, but had they not said anything, I might have continued not to notice, so partially my fault.

Anyway, I don't know if I'd say it's common, just very loud players when it happens, because it can on occasion be for no reason.
It is what it is, just keep moving on.

[DJaySaint]

Honestly I don't have much faith in the GM staff as far as disciplining other players for wrong behavior. I had a situation on another server where I had to report someone nine times (NINE TIMES) for harassment and stalking, and after a couple months and nine reports later, they were still following me around every zone, spamming me with /tells (of a sexual nature), waiting outside my apartment, etc. nearly every day. Nothing happened to this guy. How do I know? He was doing it for months and after many reports it was clear not a single GM talked to him or else he would have stopped. That or he got a temp ban and just didn't care and felt it was worth it to continue.

GMs define stalking as a clear intent to cross zone lines to follow you. I had numerous friends submit tickets on my behalf, and even offer to talk to GMs when I submitted mine and not one of them cared. I always got "that's not necessary to talk to them"... you know, talking to witnesses is never necessary apparently.

Long story short? Yeah, our GM staff is mostly paid to do nothing apparently. Sure, they are nice every time I have to submit a ticket. But when you have a clear case of harassment and stalking, and blatant violation of terms of service go unchecked for months on end you start to wonder what they actually do with their time. As a player I shouldn't have to be forced to sit in my apartment 24/7 when not in queue because the GM staff can't be bothered to moderate the game for which they are paid to do so, especially when it's so blatantly obvious. I've also reported obvious botters and seen those characters still botting days or weeks later. The GM staff in this game just doesn't care. At least on the NA side. I've heard stories of Korean GMs who take harassment and blatant rules violations very seriously and will outright ban and publicly shame people who do so. I'm all for that type of enforcement.

But yeah, our GM staff doesn't seem to actually enforce the rules... unless you're trying to make profit (real money) off the game, then they care. C'est la vie.

[Synrin]

This game has the worst GMs and customer support that you will ever come across in an MMO, and I hope to hell and back you'll never ever have to have anything to do with reporting/having your issue resolved because these victim blaming and victim isolating folks cannot and will not do their job of managing a community and making sure LOGICAL and FAIR actions are taken against those who abuse the system or make the players want to quit both the game and their lives. Rant over.

[Gallus]

Also even if GM's did take action they are rule bound not to tell you what, if any, their actions were against the offending parties. That is just a part of the guidelines they follow. Never ever expect to be told if they took action or what those actions were. Sorry you had a bad day :/

Completely true.

Unless they verbally harassed you, called you out on your numbers or otherwise talked amongst themselves on another channel about you that the GM can check there is nothing the GM's can do. Kicking for differences in playstyle (which is exceptionally broad but that was the intent) is a safety zone given to parties who don't like the way another player is performing, acting, or really anything else D: doesn't make it right but that is the reality of it.

Completely false. There are a lot of forms of harassment, they don't need to insult you to be warned or banned. If an individual say constantly early pulls hunts/puts them behind rocks so that they go LoS, repeteadly kicks others in dungeons for no reason or does some sort of clear griefing just for the sake of it I can assure you that person is gonna be having a few words with a GM.