Extreme primals do not belong in Mentor roulette.

[Alistaire]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...entor-Roulette.

Or how about this one: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Japanese-one

I've heard on several occasions JP players have no problem here.

[BillyKaplan]

"hey maybe I should look into this"

If people were supposed to look up guides prior to queueing, the game would've shown you a guide before entering the instance. It's not mandatory. That said...

You can explain mechanics all day if you want to, but it wont help if people are just simply not taking part in basic things like healing expecting these fights to be just another carry.

This is the problem. These trials can be cleared, especially if you have two mentors to help ease the load. I had a Shiva ex clear with me as healer and another mentor as tank. It was eventually just us two and we cleared. But even we can only carry so much, the rest of them need to survive and contribute at least this much.

[JohnnyDevo]

Average player who know how to question and watch mechanics can deal with and clear that kind of content.

Consider that 50% of players are below average and OP's point stands, I think.

[Crescents]

But even we can only carry so much, the rest of them need to survive and contribute at least this much.

Basically my point, if I had queued healer we probably would of been able to clear but the healers were letting both tanks die before adds ended (which is basically the start of the encounter) so if they werent healing the bare minimum when I was all but begging them too but I was just a "rude mentor" I don't want people to know everything but at least know the bare minimum of their role.

It's also why I exclusively heal mentor roulettes now, dps has so little carry potential in this type of content.

[Reinha]

This is the problem. These trials can be cleared, especially if you have two mentors to help ease the load. I had a Shiva ex clear with me as healer and another mentor as tank. It was eventually just us two and we cleared. But even we can only carry so much, the rest of them need to survive and contribute at least this much.

I once finished synced Levi ex solo after everyone else fell into the ocean. People got their clear, but my first thought was: why did the group not just do it unsynced? It makes no difference to the person being carried and yet doing it synced makes it a lot harder on the people actually doing the work. Carrying strangers only enforces the widespread idea that it's acceptable to enter content one is not ready for.

[Zojha]

Consider that 50% of players are below average and OP's point stands, I think.

And that's assuming that "knowing how to question and watch mechanics" doesn't already put you above the average by itself.

[Okamimaru]

I love mentor roulette because it's sometimes an actual challenge... and despite their sarcasm I agree that Alex and coils should be added to mentor roulette... I seem to only ever get guildhests when I queue for it...

[BillyKaplan]

I agree that Alex and coils should be added to mentor roulette

Alex already is in there. Coils are Savage level and therefore should not.

[Alistaire]

Also, 2 things would solve this while retaining them in the roulette:

Lower the max time in extremes to 30 minutes. For premade groups learning it's no issue to requeue, and none of these take even half that if you know what you're doing anyway.
Give the tomes and roulette completion to people there on mentor roulette if you're in a duty that goes to max time. Mentors are there to teach and whether or not you complete the fight the mentors have (supposedly) done their job if they stick it out that long.

[NephthysVasudan]

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Heavy is the crown of a mentor.
If you can't handle it...take the bloody thing off.
Stop whining.