SE, Please consider removing EX trials from the Mentor Roulette.

[RokkuEkkusu]

As bad as the Main Scenario dungeons will become in 4.2 with the unskippable cutscenes, I'd rather have Castrum Meridianum or Praetorium because clearing those dungeons would be much easier than clearing an EX primal synced with 7 other random people.

I'll just turn on auto-scroll for cutscenes and/or do some chat with the others in the party and/or discord.

[Kerwin]

I don't have a problem with people who instantly leave a extreme primal via mentor roullete. That's fine, the party will disband and the same people who queued for it will queue again without penalty. The person who quit, (mentor or not) will sit out and take the 30 minute penalty.

The penalty is more then enough to allow the people who originally wanted to run the primal to find a new set of people willing to stay and teach them.

No one has the right to tell someone what they should do or shouldn't do. And no one has the right to tell someone to "Turn in your crown." That's ignorant and child like.

The people you want to get angry at are the mentors who would DISRUPT the instance by fake AFK, fake d/c (close the client in hopes to get kicked to avoid the penalty) And the ones who purposely wipe the group. All of these actions are against ToS for harassment. Report those players.


But as I said, the people who leave instantly to take the penalty are saying "Hey sorry, but I don't want to mentor this content. I'll take the penalty in hopes you find someone who is willing to help. Goodluck!"

Don't be so ignorant in the future.

[Metalwrath]

If one players leaves the roulette though it gives the window for other players to leave after them.This results in the ex being abandoned and wasting the time of mentors who want to help and the new players who queued the instance in the first place.
The mentor fake dc thing i see the whole time.Party usually kick them.If people had the spare time i'd rather wait it out for that mentor to rejoin and force them to do the duty or take the 30 min punishment to teach them a lesson.

[Kerwin]

If one players leaves the roulette though it gives the window for other players to leave after them.This results in the ex being abandoned and wasting the time of mentors who want to help and the new players who queued the instance in the first place.
The mentor fake dc thing i see the whole time.Party usually kick them.If people had the spare time i'd rather wait it out for that mentor to rejoin and force them to do the duty or take the 30 min punishment to teach them a lesson.

This is why it's more honorable to simple quit out instantly instead of fake d/cing. It's faster to reform then to wait for someone to fill. (Which no one will for that content.)

[Xlantaa]

Even if someone abandon MSQ just because pop in the mentor roulette, you still can do it even with 5 or 6 players. Just will take a bit more.

Unless all healers or tank left of course.

[EmmaVirgin]

My biggest problem with Mentor Roulette is that when it comes to EX fights, people just rush in and don't bother to wait for explanations from the mentor. So this is why the success rate of EX primals is extremely low if you see anyone's statistics of mentor roulette, in addition to the fact that people don't listen, and even worse if you're in EU where people don't even speak the language you do...

9 of 10 runs are like this. zero time to text one word.and/or i just click on english and german for it and end up with 7 other french new player.

[Vnolan]

By its very name, the Mentor network and roulette are there to help, you know, support new players.

No. The network is there to provide the most basic of advice while the roulette is there to fill queues. You're making the mistake of using the name to determine it's purpose instead of looking at the requirements to become a mentor. Instead of 'mentor', think of them as 'seasoned adventurer'.

This support takes on two primary forms: guidance within instances, and numbers for early-game instances themselves.

That's what you think or want it to be.

Adding in things like the EX fights does not serve this mission

It's mission is to fill queues, so it does exactly that.

because the players in them by definition aren't new to FFXIV

Jump potion

moreover, it detracts from a primary goal of the Mentor roulette (numbers for early-game instances).

The primary goal is to fill all instances in the roulette.

(1) existing mentors are spread out across more possible instances

You do have a point here, but it's with guildhests. All but the last one that requires 8 people should be removed from the roulette.

That's one fewer person to help out new players in the instances themselves.

How? If you want to assist players in low-level instances, you can still queue using the leveling roulette. The mentor roulette doesn't prioritize duties with sprouts or bonuses. If you're unlucky enough, you can (and will) keep getting The Royal City with no bonuses or sprouts stuck on Hashmal. You can get the beard EX as a tank even if you only beat it as a dps a few years ago.

[Kohdo]

The whole point in mentor roulette is to help people with these kind of content.
Its not a pick and choose situation for mentors.
Dont like it then dont queue mentor roulette.Problem solved.

This might come as a massive shock, but "don't like x don't do y" isn't the solution to everything.

[Hestzhyen]

This might come as a massive shock, but "don't like x don't do y" isn't the solution to everything.

As it stands right now, this is in fact the best solution since the risk is present and has no signs of being removed. But we can come up with alternatives to make it better in the long-term!

Like, make a "High End Duty" Mentor roulette with bigger rewards for Ex Trials, maybe even Coil/Savage Alex content.

Or add another Mentor status variation - "High End Duty Mentor". If you have this on when you queue for Mentor Roulette, it will be the same as now where you can be put in EX fights. If you don't have it on, you won't be matched to EX fights even if there are open spots waiting to be filled. Naturally this will increase queue times for those who don't use that mentor status but at least they can have peace of mind that they won't be thrown into Titan EX for the 50th time.

The biggest problem here is that there aren't enough people willing to help new players with hard, outdated content. So they throw anyone and everyone at it in the hopes that some people will stick around when they get put into duty. If enough people are willing to say "I will help with the old EX fights", SE might be able to segregate the queues so that people can sign up for what they're willing to help with and no more.

[Seig345]

Personally, some of the most fun I've had in Mentor Roulette were the EX runs that started off struggling but came through in the end.

I would rather see the mentor roulette left as-is rather than cater it to the people who are signing up to run any potential duty in the roulette only to run off when it's not something quick and easy.