"Toxic"? or Just advice you don't want to hear?

[SenorPatty]

If I get a mute bard, Im going to go "Bard, songs?". If both healers are dead and the redmage isn't raising, "Redmage, get the healers".

Its this kind of treading softly on eggshells because uwu feelings that made Shinryuu normal bottle neck. Are you so thin skinned that someone pointing things out is immediately some kind of personal insult?

Amen to that.

Last week, I was co-healing a not so great raba run. Our alliance did better than most but still...

anyways, we had this one mch who repeatedly died. Like, the amount was to the point where it was exhausting our mp. He was not new to the raid either. After the whole raid wiped twice to Hashmal and him dying to the same things, he tried to pass off his deaths as a joke. When my co-healer simply said "You died a lot", the MCH told him he knew and that my co-healer was a jerk for calling him out.

I then piped up and said someone calling you out civilly does not make them jerks, especially if the person who was being called out died that many times. He then responds that he knew, that he was just making jokes about it. And then he added that I was a jerk.

I'm sorry but if I was dying that many times in a party full of strangers, I wouldn't be trying to crack jokes. I'd apologize and actually ask some tips. And I would not wait on try #2 or #3.

This lack of self-accountability is another reason why some people avoid giving advice. They can't trust that the person has enough self-awareness and respect to realize they're messing up in a very bad way.

[Aellae]

"Point out a mistake to a clever person and he will thank you. Point out a mistake to a stupid person and he will insult you." - Lao Tzu

If people prefer defending themselves because they let their ego to be hurt, then so be it.
You will find this in any game you play, more even in competitive ones. Sadly I can only advice letting people do their thing because the ones thinking about what you have to say are few and far in between (and chances are those few already read any information available online).

[ShadowHunterrX]

The only advice I hear alot is LB ! Which I glady ignore for most of the time for several of reasons. Al those dying melee's in Titan ex flying of the screen after a tank screams LB , still love those. ( i know why people scream it , many refuse to use LB at all in dungeons and raids or keep it for the last final boss )

I only give advice to new players. I dont have the knowledge to advice people at higher levels for most of the jobs and everybody has a different playstyle anyway.

[F_Maximillian]

The only advice I hear alot is LB ! Which I glady ignore for most of the time for several of reasons. Al those dying melee's in Titan ex flying of the screen after a tank screams LB , still love those. ( i know why people scream it , many refuse to use LB at all in dungeons and raids or keep it for the last final boss )

I only give advice to new players. I dont have the knowledge to advice people at higher levels for most of the jobs and everybody has a different playstyle anyway.

I feel like it goes a bit beyond different playstyle when you have dps single targeting a pack of mobs or healers that just toss out a cure every few seconds. What type of playstyle is that? It's not like the classes in this game are so versatile that you can realistically play them more than one way. The only difference is the gap between those who play them right and those who don't is huge enough that it may seem like a different playstyle altogether...

[Gemina]

Toxic players come in all shapes in forms, including those trying to force feed their advice when it really isn't needed. Your intentions might be in the right in place, but calling a player out tends to lead to the group being even less efficient than they were before you decided to say something.

As an example, a group I was in recently had a DPS players call out the DRK after the second boss for staying in Grit the whole time. This was despite the fact that the run was going smooth, but he just couldn't stand that the DRK would not go into offensive stance, and JUST had to say something. So the other DPS and I were in the next screen while these two dotes kept bickering amongst themselves in the damn boss room.

Dungeons are designed in a way where if everyone does the bare minimum their role requires, you will clear it. The only time I call someone out is when the way a player is conducting themselves is actually making the clear not possible, or if everyone else has to work harder to makeup for his/her deficiencies. It's on the players to take it upon themselves to improve, not their group members.

[Sesera]

The only advice I hear alot is LB ! Which I glady ignore for most of the time for several of reasons. Al those dying melee's in Titan ex flying of the screen after a tank screams LB , still love those. ( i know why people scream it , many refuse to use LB at all in dungeons and raids or keep it for the last final boss)

I only give advice to new players. I dont have the knowledge to advice people at higher levels for most of the jobs and everybody has a different playstyle anyway.

I often do dungeon with a friend but he always says "lb" when boss has still too much hp to be killed. Why would I want to use LB to get the boss from 20% to 15% when I can hold it a bit longer and end the duty in the most stylish manner.

[ShadowHunterrX]

I feel like it goes a bit beyond different playstyle when you have dps single targeting a pack of mobs or healers that just toss out a cure every few seconds. What type of playstyle is that? It\\'s not like the classes in this game are so versatile that you can realistically play them more than one way.

Sometimes you need to adjust your playstyle to different people. Because of gear, movement and behaviour in general. it's more then just a simple holy spam or more healing. Ofcourse you have good and bad players. But in dungeons also another people can make you look bad. For example I am a monk, if a tank place the boss in a way I cannot do back attacks my DPS will drop. People who dont know anything about monk will see me as a bad player for the low DPS.

By reading reaction you already showing your lack of reading the situation and riding in your own tunnel.

I often do dungeon with a friend but he always says "lb" when boss has still too much hp to be killed. Why would I want to use LB to get the boss from 20% to 15% when I can hold it a bit longer and end the duty in the most stylish manner.

He think it goes faster

[Gemina]

I often do dungeon with a friend but he always says "lb" when boss has still too much hp to be killed. Why would I want to use LB to get the boss from 20% to 15% when I can hold it a bit longer and end the duty in the most stylish manner.

You understand that taking a boss from 20% to 15% HP from a single gcd is MASSIVE, correct? Even a DPS single target LB1 is a very high potency attack. So high that healer and tank LB1 are almost never seen, ever; and negligible when they are used, i.e. not a difference maker. During a dungeon run, it is almost always best to use LB1 as soon as it is available and will cause the most amount of damage because sitting on a full LB gauge does absolutely nothing. My comm will often go to the DPS member of my group who is aware of this and LBs a pack of mobs, or uses a full LB gauge at the start of a boss fight.

Style points don't really matter when your LB is overkill for the boss. It's more bad than good when you hit the boss for 95% more damage required to kill it.

[Kewitt]

I use holy as a whm more then I should in drex but it also lets me keep my target on the tank for a quick heal

[LaylaTsarra]

I often do dungeon with a friend but he always says "lb" when boss has still too much hp to be killed. Why would I want to use LB to get the boss from 20% to 15% when I can hold it a bit longer and end the duty in the most stylish manner.

Because using the lb as soon as possible gives it time to rebuild so it can be used again.