Savage content needs to be fixed.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I have suggested multiple times that instead of giving more tomestones as a bonus in savage content, that EVERYONE (if there is a new player involved) will get an extra datalog. The extra chest is a little overzealous, but since u need multiple datalogs, it will allow you to then choose what piece u want for given content.

[Penthea]

I have suggested multiple times that instead of giving more tomestones as a bonus in savage content, that EVERYONE (if there is a new player involved) will get an extra datalog. The extra chest is a little overzealous, but since u need multiple datalogs, it will allow you to then choose what piece u want for given content.

I disagree with an additional chest and with this. Both would punish static teams for always playing together, and give party finder teams a loot advantage. Savage isn't designed for pugs, so it doesn't make sense to give them a significant reward advantage.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I disagree with an additional chest and with this. Both would punish static teams for always playing together, and give party finder teams a loot advantage. Savage isn't designed for pugs, so it doesn't make sense to give them a significant reward advantage.

Right, but lets be honest. If you are in a static and raid on wednesday, thursdays, and saturdays, but on Sunday one of your FC friends wants to do O5s for the first time... why woud you join them outside of shear kindness? Maybe an extra datalog is a bit much... but something more than creation please.

[Penthea]

Right, but lets be honest. If you are in a static and raid on wednesday, thursdays, and saturdays, but on Sunday one of your FC friends wants to do O5s for the first time... why woud you join them outside of shear kindness? Maybe an extra datalog is a bit much... but something more than creation please.

Don't assume every player is selfish enough to not ever help anyone unless they can get loot. Some of us are kind enough to help because the player is a friend, and some enjoy combat enough to do the fight for the joy of it. I know people who do savage on free nights to learn how to play other classes better. Plenty of players do more savage content than they need to for reasons outside of personal loot.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Don't assume every player is selfish enough to not ever help anyone unless they can get loot. Some of us are kind enough to help because the player is a friend, and some enjoy combat enough to do the fight for the joy of it. I know people who do savage on free nights to learn how to play other classes better. Plenty of players do more savage content than they need to for reasons outside of personal loot.

I am one such person willing to help, absolutely. But... on the other hand, if these means literally hours of peoples time in some instances, why not sweeten the deal a bit?

[HyoMinPark]

Right, but lets be honest. If you are in a static and raid on wednesday, thursdays, and saturdays, but on Sunday one of your FC friends wants to do O5s for the first time... why woud you join them outside of shear kindness? Maybe an extra datalog is a bit much... but something more than creation please.

You need an incentive to help a friend/FC mate? I mean, I won't spend too much time helping complete strangers (though I have), but I don't need incentives to help friends or FC mates.

Truthfully, my post was really to just bring attention to the fact that this content is presently elitist, not hard. And I'd like to think that is not intentional.

Except it's not elitist. Again, if you don't have a static, join PFs or make your own. I am a full-time student, and have not had that much time to play as much as I have wanted to this semester; I even had to drop my own static because their times interfered with school. That said, join or make PFs. And yeah, you may have to wait for them to fill, but they will always fill (unless you’re making them at obscenely early hours for Aether, then they may not since people are probably sleeping).

[Shaolinz]

You need an incentive to help a friend/FC mate? I mean, I won't spend too much time helping complete strangers (though I have), but I don't need incentives to help friends or FC mates.

You then would be a kind soul. For me, I'm the furthest progressed in my FC.

Do this. Make a party finder as a goal duty completion. Click on the box to only allow people marked as duty incomplete to join (to more accurately simulate what it's like waiting for a non-duty complete roster to fill). If after all that you can genuinely say there's not a problem getting groups for this content, then I think we have reached an impasse and can no longer have a discussion.

[HyoMinPark]

You then would be a kind soul. For me, I'm the furthest progressed in my FC.

It’s not that I’m kind; it’s that I don’t need incentives to help my friends; they’re my friends. Isn’t that what a friend is supposed to do? Help each other? I don’t even need incentives to help strangers; I’ll join random parties if I’m bored. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of Xeno, but he’s a top-tier, world-first raider, and he joins random groups all week long after clearing content to just help them. I’ve partied with him on at least 2 occasions—one for an A9S learning and one for a V4S weekly.

Do this. Make a party finder as a goal duty completion. Click on the box to only allow people marked as duty incomplete to join (to more accurately simulate what it's like waiting for a non-duty complete roster to fill). If after all that you can genuinely say there's not a problem getting groups for this content, then I think we have reached an impasse and can no longer have a discussion.

I don’t need to create a social experiment to prove my point; I already have experience with them working. Monday night, I was in 3 different O7S clear/enrage parties. One was cut short because the host was needed for something, one I left because it wasn’t going anywhere and wanted to take a break, and one I stayed with for the entirety of the lockout. We did not clear, but the parties took less than 20 minutes to fill. And that was on a Monday night before reset (around 12am CST).

Week 1, I joined O6S learning parties (as in, zero experience parties), and got my clear with those. In Deltascape, I joined groups for Catastrophe, Halicarnassus, and Neo Exdeath that were mostly strangers with maybe one person I knew. Got clears in all of them, and Neo was WAY into the tier’s lifetime. In Creator, I cleared A9S, A10S, and A11S in PUG groups. There are several people that have cleared tiers in PUG groups without a static. How did they do that? Party Finder.

My point is, I already know Party Finder works. I don’t need to create an experiment to prove that. If you are truly dedicated to clearing the content, you will stick to it. And I would suggest that, instead of asking for an easy way out. Regardless of how busy you may or may not be.

[Lord_Zlatan]

You need an incentive to help a friend/FC mate? I mean, I won't spend too much time helping complete strangers (though I have), but I don't need incentives to help friends or FC mates.

No. Not usually. Would I mind doing it just out of the kindness of my heart? No, not at all. I do it all the time. Would I mind getting more for my time on content that is harder to do and thus harder to teach and most likely going to take longer for people to clear? nope! Give me more please!

[Kurando]

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Sounds really good in theory but on the surface it could lock out a lot of players. Just think you have an entire team of 7 that have cleared a Raid but they want more Datalogs, so they put up a PF asking for 1 person only who hasn't cleared just so they can get the extra log. Ok sounds great for that 1 person, they get a clear and two Datalogs, but then there could be dozens more players all trying to get in to parties but being limited potentially by groups only accepting one newbie just for the bonus. The less new players there in a single group, generally the smoother the duty would go, and easier the carry. Definitely would increase the number of Selling Ex/Savage content advertisements in the PF....