Is Byakko the easiest Primal upon relase?

[Aomine1992]

People always refer to HW like that was SEs bread and butter lol first off Gordias was a mistake SE is trying very hard from repeating as they lost alot of players during that time and it also envoked the whole dps only generation, thordan ex upon release was a nightmare to deal with, people still can't do nidghogg till this day lol nuff said...

HW may have been a challenge to some but it also had some of the worse fights we know to date and SE is trying to avoid those flops again, so although they need to raise the difficulty on ex primals and savage they have to be really careful about how they do it...

[SerLuke]

People always refer to HW like that was SEs bread and butter lol first off Gordias was a mistake SE is trying very hard from repeating as they lost alot of players during that time and it also envoked the whole dps only generation, thordan ex upon release was a nightmare to deal with, people still can't do nidghogg till this day lol nuff said...

I started playing when HW came out but I’ve heard that Gordias savage was responseable for the “must have uber DPS or you suck” attitude we see a lot in the community is that accurate? Or was it like that before?

[Senhime]

Have to chip in say that Normal is harder than Byakko EX. Let that sink in for a moment...

[SerLuke]

Have to chip in say that Normal is harder than Byakko EX. Let that sink in for a moment...

Not sure if this was intended as a joke but I’ve been seen a group wipe to normal while I’ve seen plenty of wipes for ex. Sure the mechs are different/mixed up in normal but it’s not easier than ex.

[Seaku]

Again it is an exploit.The devs hadnt intended the tank LB to be used to skip the phase.They admit they hadnt checked it.
This means the phase was programmed wrong and the phase doesnt overide the tank LB.But like i said it's too late to fix the exploit now.

It really isn't. It was not intended sure, but neither was the sacrifice strategy in A4S, or the enrage strat in T2, or the hiding strat in T5. None of these are exploits as they aren't forcing the boss to do something it shouldn't or by making yourself immune to attacks. So like some strats with pulling twin up the ramp in T5 could cause her to bug out and not do her attacks properly. That's an exploit. Just using the tank LB to shield yourself from excess damage is not an exploit. If they wanted you to flat out wipe every time you failed they could've easily set the damage to 9,999,999 like light of judgement enrage. They didn't.

[Hakuro89]

I mean, you're not really wrong. I remember how much hell it was to try and pug Garuda Ex and especially Titan Ex were to try and pug when they were released.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Are you saying you want all content to be harder so “bad players” quit the game? I have a learning disability I’ve been able to clear some of the lower savage floors when they were relevant, but it takes me a lot longer to learn mechanics than most people I appreciate stuff like Byakko ex because for me it provides a kinda middle ground challenge where I can learn and clear it and not beat my head against it like I do with savage since it takes me longer to learn due to my disiability. I’m sure I’m what many would deem a “bad player” because of that.

Not at all. I want content that offers an actual difficulty curve to improve the overall playerbase and not instill bad habits. Would it not be better you gained experience and practice through dungeons and normal mode raids and trials in lieu of stomping through them? Under no circumstances should I be able to ignore mechanics in level 70 content because they simply don't deal enough damage yet I can. Expert dungeons are noticeably easier than their leveling counterparts. If you're struggling more than others, stick to learning parties until you feel comfortable. I primarily main DPS in high-end content, but enjoy tanking. When Shinryu came out, I spent hours in learning hours I knew weren't going anywhere just to gain a better grasp on mechanics before I tried farming on tanks even though I knew the entire fight from a DPS perspective.

Truth be told, most internet people would deem a 50th percentile player "terribad".

Good thing I'm not most. I deem 50% average, and that opinion changes based on other logs.

People always refer to HW like that was SEs bread and butter lol first off Gordias was a mistake SE is trying very hard from repeating as they lost alot of players during that time and it also envoked the whole dps only generation, thordan ex upon release was a nightmare to deal with, people still can't do nidghogg till this day lol nuff said...

HW may have been a challenge to some but it also had some of the worse fights we know to date and SE is trying to avoid those flops again, so although they need to raise the difficulty on ex primals and savage they have to be really careful about how they do it...

Can we knock off the Strawman?

Gordias was undoubtedly a mistake, though primarily due to the devs not properly testing it. That does not mean the game ought to be made into a complete cakewalk. People unable to do Nidhogg are either bad players who can't be bothered to learn mechanics or simply aren't interested in harder content. He's among the least mechanically intense fights HW offered. This only underlines the problem that instead of establishing a proper difficulty curve, the devs continuously nerf everything. Thus people have little to no incentive to improve since hey, stuff will just get easier. Ironically, when people cried over Weeping City and Nidhogg normal, Yoshida refused to nerf either... and what do you know. People got over it.

[Dualblade]

Again it is an exploit.The devs hadnt intended the tank LB to be used to skip the phase.They admit they hadnt checked it.
This means the phase was programmed wrong and the phase doesnt overide the tank LB.But like i said it's too late to fix the exploit now.
And i guess to be fair it was an error on their side too with the coding.

Using an LB ment for use with Squadrons was an exploit. It was not ment for standard play and thus no content involving more then one human player is balanced around it, thus why they are/did/kinda(?) fixed it.

Tank LB3 is not an exploit because it is a mechanic that we have had since the start/since players got to 8-man content. It was rarely ever needed, and the few pieces of content it was used in were usually places we were forced to use it in BECAUSE we rarely needed it. The devs not thinking it would be useful in Byakko does not mean it is an exploit, it just means the way they decided to make Byakko's raid wipe mechanic was suffeciently different from other Extreme fights that a new strat became viable.

I do think that if all groups were forced to do it the "intended" way VIA dpsing the tiger down, their might be slightly less clears as some groups I have been only barley beat enrage even with Tank LB3...yet at the same time if we didn't Tank LB3 it we would just Melee LB3 it so either way LB is used for the same mechanic.

[Jib]

I seriously think ppl that call the lb3 tank on Biakko an “exploit”.. really don’t know what the term means...
I’m sorry but you must be new to mmorpgs.

It is norm and intended by game developers for the community to use the tools in game, provided by self developers to beat a determined Boss...

Gamers, developers, Yoshida, your aunt and uncle may come and say “such tactic was not intended”.. if the gamers beat a certain boss using the tools provided by such game/developers.. than that is a legitimate way of defeating such boss.. Not an exploit!

Stop that nonessense... please...