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  1. #61
    Player Linx0r's Avatar
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    Natti Starshine
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    It feels like an appropriate level of difficultly for an EX primal. If you want harder stuff, try Savage or Ultimate.
    Seriously? This fight was an absolute joke. Make it a bit tougher like Thordan ex on release . THAT is a primal fight
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  2. #62
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    It feels like an appropriate level of difficultly for an EX primal. If you want harder stuff, try Savage or Ultimate.
    Why is this always the answer? Back in Heavensward, we had genuinely challenging yet still reasonable Primals in Thordan, Sephirot and even Nidhogg. Now they're utter jokes that you can push through with last tier's gear. It's no different than people wanting dungeons that aren't braindead easy. That doesn't entail Savage or Ultimate equivalents but something which requires more than a pulse to clear. The primary reason you see so many bad players is due to how incredibly easy this game is. What incentive do I have to dodge things in O5N when I can eat practically every mechanic as a DPS and heal through most with just Bloodbath and Second Wind? Obviously, Byakko isn't that much of a joke but the point still stands.
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  3. #63
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    Ku Rando
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I always enjoyed Ex Primals that had the extra environment risk factor of falling or getting pushed out of the battle area. Of course it's good to have variantion as no wants to have to deal with the same mechanic every time but Byakko and Susano were both a little too easy to handle, in comparison to Shinryu and in some cases (when people forget the duty action) Lakshmi.
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  4. #64
    Player Aquaslash's Avatar
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    Zinnia Higana
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    Cactuar
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Susano is not easy, lakshimi is not either.

    Byakko is easier.
    The solo instance of Lakshmi is legitimately harder than the EX
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  5. #65
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    Khalith Mateo
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    Mateus
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    There are still a lot of parties that cant complete even with tank lb.
    It’s an alternative strategy to maximize uptime on the boss. I wish people would stop complaining about it or call it “cheating” as that implies it’s not something normally available. Using the tank LB is just one strategy for clearing the fight and I’ve been in clear parties with enough dps to not need it as well. Having multiple ways to clear a fight is a good thing and honestly something SE needs to do more of.
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  6. #66
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    Luke Lightbringer
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    Jenova
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    The primary reason you see so many bad players is due to how incredibly easy this game is. .

    Are you saying you want all content to be harder so “bad players” quit the game? I have a learning disability I’ve been able to clear some of the lower savage floors when they were relevant, but it takes me a lot longer to learn mechanics than most people I appreciate stuff like Byakko ex because for me it provides a kinda middle ground challenge where I can learn and clear it and not beat my head against it like I do with savage since it takes me longer to learn due to my disiability. I’m sure I’m what many would deem a “bad player” because of that.
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  7. #67
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    Lodestone Bait
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    Pandaemonium
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    Gladiator Lv 1
    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    I’m sure I’m what many would deem a “bad player” because of that.
    Truth be told, most internet people would deem a 50th percentile player "terribad".

    The common conception when I was playing League of Legends was that you weren't "good" until you reached high diamond - i.e. the top 0,2% of the playerbase that was competitive enough to bother with ranked in the first place. Gold and Below, i.e. 90% of the playerbase, was considered "bad".

    Comparing player perceptions to actual skill distribution is a fun practice.
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  8. #68
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    Rhulk Roegan
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    Raiden
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    It’s an alternative strategy to maximize uptime on the boss. I wish people would stop complaining about it or call it “cheating” as that implies it’s not something normally available. Using the tank LB is just one strategy for clearing the fight and I’ve been in clear parties with enough dps to not need it as well. Having multiple ways to clear a fight is a good thing and honestly something SE needs to do more of.
    In live Letter the devs said the fight wasnt meant to be cleared that way and they hadnt tested for the tank LB.They had not intended to let players cheat through with tank LB.Given that 99% of clears have done this way it would cause a lot of trouble for them to fix the fight.
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  9. #69
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    Khalith Mateo
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    In live Letter the devs said the fight wasnt meant to be cleared that way and they hadnt tested for the tank LB.They had not intended to let players cheat through with tank LB.Given that 99% of clears have done this way it would cause a lot of trouble for them to fix the fight.
    Again, it’s not a cheat. It’s an alternative strategy that the players figured out.
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  10. #70
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    Rhulk Roegan
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    Raiden
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    Again, it’s not a cheat. It’s an alternative strategy that the players figured out.
    Again it is an exploit.The devs hadnt intended the tank LB to be used to skip the phase.They admit they hadnt checked it.
    This means the phase was programmed wrong and the phase doesnt overide the tank LB.But like i said it's too late to fix the exploit now.
    And i guess to be fair it was an error on their side too with the coding.
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