WHY is there a 2 chest , 1 chest, 0 Chest limit on savage?!

[Sunako]

Only way remove this would be remove shared loot and improve token system or make everybody have personal loot.

[KarstenS]

I do not understand the reasoning behind making sigmascape savage, for example, cut down to 1 chest if someone who has already completed it joins a group to do it.

The answer is easy. Before we got this system, a player who has finished a turn could not enter this turn again before the next reset. He was completely locked out to help others.

Lowering the number of chests is the price to get help by someone who have already done it within the ID.

If you want 2 chests you have to be a full party without someone who have cleared it, like in good old days.

But there are many other out there, especially in the last days before reset, who wants to get it done with less than 2 chest instead of loosing an entire week. And thats the reason this system got changed to what we have now.

[Okamimaru]

There is literally nothing stopping you from creating a pf so you can rerun for better play performance... you don't need the chest bonus if you're just mastering a fight....

[Remedi]

They could use what is used in the 24 man but I guess they want to avoid alt runs

[TheDraco4011]

The part that doesnt make any sense is cutting off loot from previous floors for finishing a high floor. What difference does it make if I wanna clear O8S first to try for the diamond weapon then go back to the others?

[h0tNstilettos]

The title of this thread made me feel like I was reading a Dr. Seuss book. XD

[Karshan]

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Agreed with a less severe restriction, so that one or two week killers can come and help friends. It's frustrating to the point that I'm putting up a reroll (!) to be able to do whatever I want in Savage on my main and still have the option to go help. Frustrating as hell.

However to OP, limit has to exist to avoid that, for instance, 7 guys go in there with someone who hasn't killed, and that guy gets all full items of the chest. Since you don't need every single piece of Savage for a BiS but rather a mix with memos, it wouldn't be long to get all you want and I'm sure there would be cheasing so that week 3 after patch everyone with O8 kill would be full BiS. Knowing next gear cap is in 7-8 months...

[KarstenS]

The part that doesnt make any sense is cutting off loot from previous floors for finishing a high floor. What difference does it make if I wanna clear O8S first to try for the diamond weapon then go back to the others?

It is intended to be done in the correct order ever new week until the restriction get lifted.

Before Raidfinder you had to go to a NPC at the entrance and had to start with the first, than the second and so on.

Not that much different now. When you start a new week, you can only select the first floor for queue. The others have a lock sign.

And afterwards the Raidfinder will not let you queue up again for a floor you have done when you select "clear" in the window and it will also end with an error message when another is queuing up with someone in the party who have cleared while "clear" is selected. People who have cleared can only enter when "practise" is selected.

[Paladinleeds]

Could they perhaps set it up so if you've cleared for the week, you're locked out of any loot that drops (and make it so once you leave the instance, then you get the book, which counts towards the 1 item per week restriction, could even make it so if you get loot, you don't get the book)? Could that help make a fair compromise for this? Run sellers will ALWAYS find a way. You could make it so that you're locked out of the instance completely once you beat it (or enter a higher floor), based off your entire service account and any alternate service accounts that use ANY identical information, with your fully identifiable and verifiable information (address, bank sort code, account number, etc), and the run-sellers would still find a way. But at the same time I as a friend punish either my friend or my static for wanting to help somebody?

I dunno, I just feel like something's gotta give here.

[Vidu]

Could they perhaps set it up so if you've cleared for the week, you're locked out of any loot that drops (and make it so once you leave the instance, then you get the book, which counts towards the 1 item per week restriction, could even make it so if you get loot, you don't get the book)? Could that help make a fair compromise for this?

That doesnt seem to be a fair compromise to me though - even if the loot from the chests is random, that would basically mean you could run the content with 7 people who cleared it (and got their loot) and have the last person just get everything with no competition (and an overall higher output of highlevel gear than intended).

What we are having right now is the compromise. You're allowed to go back (you werent in Coil), but it will give your party the penatly. Someone has been giving here and its the dev-team (in a sense). Now people are asking to be able to take more and more...

I can agree on having the penalty less harsh - in the way that one person joining wont have any effect on the loot and so on. But making it so, that it doesnt matter at all - while it already matters less (you still get your token after all) - doesnt seem "right" to me. Not so much because of run-selling and rather because of this idea that this content is supposed to be done by a full group in the first place - instead of "doesnt matter who we're grabbing".
I'm sorry that I dont have a real fleshed out argument right now at hand, but let me try to turn this around by saying: The two chests you're getting are your reward for doing it as a static. Instead of seeing less chests as a penalty, look at the chests as the reward for the effort of having a static. Dont want to put in this effort? Get your token and be happy with it!
(As I said - a less harsh penalty would be fine in my book - and if only to account for any real life stuff that can happen and render someone unable to attend their raid-times)