Should players be able to sell Mogstation items?

[ManuelBravo]

Hey, was wondering how people felt behind allowing players to buy and sell cash shop items.

Personally I would like something to spend Gil on. Just a general question, hope it does not turn into a shit storm.

Is this for real? There is a reason why mogstation items have a gift option. There have been some occasions however where FC's sell some ites or give them as prices for their events, IF you really want that you might as well buy them from mogstation. Using gill kind of defeats the whole purpose of cash shop items -.-.

[FallenArisen0990]

No, this should never be a conscience though in anyone's mind.

[Emstidor]

What mess would that be? Plenty of other games have been doing it for years, in various forms. Aside from more profit and fewer* black market transactions (and the support headaches those create), what "mess" was created, exactly?


*It doesn't typically eliminate black market RMT because prices are usually higher, but having a legitimate and built in option tends to put downward pressure on their business.

Does it really create "support headaches" though, since "unauthorized transactions are not enforceable by the GMs" seems like a pretty cut-and-dry approach.

[Awha]

Is this for real? There is a reason why mogstation items have a gift option. There have been some occasions however where FC's sell some ites or give them as prices for their events, IF you really want that you might as well buy them from mogstation. Using gill kind of defeats the whole purpose of cash shop items -.-.

Using Gil to buy something someone already spent money on defeats the purpose. Since I was never going to buy the item in the first place it creates a net positive for SE since someone else bought the item off the station and I just bought it off the MB.

[Kohdo]

RMT is always going to be a thing, and this game already inconveniences players due to their fear of RMT.

SE will never win the war on RMT, but at the very least they could offer other options for players that have more pixel currency over real and provide them with an option to get some of the cash shop items. Who knows maybe they would even make more money off the cash shop. Isn't that a good thing for the company. I mean they make items single use so clearly they want people to buy multiples so give people a reason to buy multiples.

How about no? A tiny minority breaking the rules doesn't mean we should do away with those rules.

Using Gil to buy something someone already spent money on defeats the purpose. Since I was never going to buy the item in the first place it creates a net positive for SE since someone else bought the item off the station and I just bought it off the MB.

SE wouldn't see it like this. Letting you buy Mogstation items from other players deprives them of additional revenue you may have otherwise spent on that item in the Mogstation.

[Istaru]

What mess would that be? Plenty of other games have been doing it for years, in various forms. Aside from more profit and fewer* black market transactions (and the support headaches those create), what "mess" was created, exactly?


*It doesn't typically eliminate black market RMT because prices are usually higher, but having a legitimate and built in option tends to put downward pressure on their business.

You think that there would not be a second coming of MogStation rage threads out the wazoo like when they announced it? Looking at your join date and your history, you weren't here. It was a shit show.

As for downward pressure, gil isn’t that expensive now. It would only be affected by the addition of legitimacy from SE.

It devalues efforts like crafting and gathering along with RMT too.

I would never have to put forth any effort to get money for glamours or housing or minions and such ever again. Unless you count going to the MogStation and inputting my credit card to be effort.

I will make this as clear as possible, if you ignore everything else and only read this part, ok with me.

My answer today is No.
My answer tomorrow is No.
My answer until my dying breath is No.
My answer until the end of time is No.
There is nothing you or anyone else can say or do that will change my opinion in any way, shape or form.

Save yourself the futility, don’t respond to me about this again. I will extend the same courtesy to you.
Have a blessed day.

[Tridus]

Does it really create "support headaches" though, since "unauthorized transactions are not enforceable by the GMs" seems like a pretty cut-and-dry approach.

Gil that's sold via black market RMT comes from multiple sources, some of which are stuff like hacking people's accounts and taking their gil to sell. That creates all kinds of support problems, because you now have a customer who needs their account restored, gil that is where it shouldn't be, another customer who has what is effectively stolen gil without realizing it, etc. It costs a lot of money in support costs to deal with that (Blizzard went into this many years ago when talking about it). One of the reasons why they incentivize using the token app is that it makes accounts so much harder to steal, which saves them money (and leads to fewer upset customers).

You also have the costs of tracking down accounts that are used to farm the gil, mules that hold it, and the whole infrastructure behind the operation. It's playing whack a mole with people are making money by doing it, so they have every reason to continue to do so. That's why prohibition never works, in any game, ever. The laws of economics can't be defeated by saying "we really want to ban this".

[Sarevok_Thordin]

I actually looked at my calendar to check if it was april yet....it wasn't.

[Awha]

SE wouldn't see it like this. Letting you buy Mogstation items from other players deprives them of additional revenue you may have otherwise spent on that item in the Mogstation.

Maybe, maybe not we do not know that for sue. Though I can say in my case and a few other I know we simply do not want to spend real money on item so that sale SE will never get if we did not buy the item off another player. But if someone else bought it and I bought it off the market board they have a higher potential profit. Granted many variables to account for. I mean I have no desire to buy something off the station, I will either buy it off a FC mate or something. I am of the position it is time to stop inconveniencing players in fear of RMT.

I mean the reason we cannot mail between our alts is probably due to their crusade against RMT. Sure having such a massive influx of Gil being put back into the economy will suck, and properly the market will never recover due to how long the hording has gone on for. At this point can SE really do anything to combat this, waiting just allows the coffers to get larger, and I do not see them adding any gil sinks in the future so should this really be a reason to not allow people the option to buy mogstation items from other players easier?

I mean I have not even been playing all that long and I am fairly close to being Gil capped on my main. So I cannot imagine how much Gil some long time players are sitting on.

Also either way I am never going to buy an item off the station, I will just buy them off someone and use the friend code. Part of me was just being silly I guess wanting the process to be a little more convenient. Was not my intent to cause a shit storm as I said in the OP. Let us be cordial towards one another. We can be mature about this.

[alimdia]

Fact: anyone outraged about RMT wouldn't do anything if they actually implemented this, just like people who were outraged by the idea of jump potions kept playing like nothing happened and realized the sky didn't fall.

Other games have this and none of your wild ideas of how bad it could get ever happened in those games.